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LTG is the most unbiased guy at CFMB.


I agree. You have the top cop misspeaking about the nature of the payment. You have the top cop misspeaking about the letter. You have the two guys involved apparently changing their story once they went before the grand jury.


Do I think Jussie lying? yeah I think he is lying but there are some things that are troubling.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Way to edit out the portion of my post that absolutely torched you, LTG. Just so you don't forget, here it is:

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You're being a tad bit presumptuous about whether I think he is lying or not. I probably lean more towards him being a liar but I'm not going to be so quick to accept the words of two dudes making statements as a way to stay out the joint either.
Really? Then how do you explain this post:

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As far as "evidence" of criminal activities goes Cohen is currently providing that. Trump can't be prosecuted but that doesn't mean he hasn't committed a crime.
Cohen was trying to "stay out of the joint", wasn't he? Yet you seemed almost eager to accept every word he said as gospel about Trump's activities.

So on the one hand, you're not willing to accept the words of two guys who say they were asked by Smollett to help stage a fake hate crime against him because they're trying to avoid jail time, but on the other you're willing to believe most anything said by Cohen, because he's trying to limit jail time.

Hmmm, I wonder why you might take these starkly different approaches to believing someone who is singing to try to avoid legal issues? What could be driving that....


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Clown is too dense to realize that I have no interest in anything that he posts. Told him that last week and he continues to hound me anyway. I will continue this policy for the duration of the time that I post here.

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I wonder what the quid pro quo is for Nigerians recanting parts of their story. Future training compensation perhaps?

I say "recant" because I sincerely doubt the Superintendent "misspoke". I think CPD got ALL their ducks in a row.


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Told him that last week and he continues to hound me anyway.
Yet you spent a good portion of your Saturday afternoon quoting and replying to me.
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I will continue lying for the duration of the time that I post here.
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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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I wonder what the quid pro quo is for Nigerians recanting parts of their story. Future training compensation perhaps?

I say "recant" because I sincerely doubt the Superintendent "misspoke". I think CPD got ALL their ducks in a row.


Me too. I think Johnson gave the story as it was presented to him. They didn't want to perjure themselves that is why it changed for the grand jury. Johnson needs to stop trying this case in the media however. He is doing too much talking.

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Told him that last week and he continues to hound me anyway.
Yet you spent a good portion of your Saturday afternoon quoting and replying to me.
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I will continue lying for the duration of the time that I post here.
Fixed.


Another guy that is in denial about his stalker like tendencies. It is about to start up again today. Just check him out. Every reply will be something personal about me. Too stupid to realize that he is spotted from a mile away.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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:roll: Stop calling it "stalking". You're making public posts on a message board, the entire POINT is for people to reply to what you post. If you don't want people to reply to what you post, you have three options:

1. Stop posting (please).

2. Stop posting stupid/blatantly hypocritical shit (e.g. saying "Cohen has flipped and is giving evidence of Trump's guilt" and then saying "I don't want to immediately believe the two brothers regarding Smollett, because they're trying to avoid prison").

3. Communicate via private message with people on topics you wish to discuss.


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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:roll: Stop calling it "stalking". You're making public posts on a message board, the entire POINT is for people to reply to what you post. If you don't want people to reply to what you post, you have three options:

1. Stop posting (please).

2. Stop posting stupid/blatantly hypocritical shit (e.g. saying "Cohen has flipped and is giving evidence of Trump's guilt" and then saying "I don't want to immediately believe the two brothers regarding Smollett, because they're trying to avoid prison").

3. Communicate via private message with people on topics you wish to discuss.


I will break away from this in this one instance. You are running from section to section finding posts that I (and only I) have made playing gotcha games with them. I could wreak your dumbass logically but I'm not interested in drawn debates with you anymore. I told you before I believe and know you to be a bigot. You are also a damn hypocrite that changes positions based on whom you support and whom you don't. I have no interest in engaging you in anything substantive and I am trying to do my part to make this a better board.

With that being the case I have decided to avoid you and ignore the things that you post. As far the Populist "please stop posting" bullshit just stop. You are by far the most despised and reviled person currently posting here. It isn't even close. You have to PM administrators in order to keep people off your sorry ass. The fact that maniacal idiots like Ogie come in support of the bullshit that you spew only confirms this.

All you have to do is look at the list of kooks that support the things that you say in order to find your answer to all of this.

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:roll: Stop calling it "stalking". You're making public posts on a message board, the entire POINT is for people to reply to what you post. If you don't want people to reply to what you post, you have three options:

1. Stop posting (please).

2. Stop posting stupid/blatantly hypocritical shit (e.g. saying "Cohen has flipped and is giving evidence of Trump's guilt" and then saying "I don't want to immediately believe the two brothers regarding Smollett, because they're trying to avoid prison").

3. Communicate via private message with people on topics you wish to discuss.

You forgot option 4, which I highly recommend in LTG's case.

He should kill himself

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JLN, If #2 happens then #1 will happen as a direct result.

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I will break away from this in this one instance.
Oh, there will be more, trust me.
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You are running from section to section finding posts that I (and only I) have made playing gotcha games with them.
You do this CONSTANTLY (and not as well as I do, I might add). Why can't I?
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I could wreak your dumbass logically but I'm not interested in drawn debates with you anymore.
Please, show me how your two positions r.e. Cohen and the two Nigerian brothers are logically consistent, I'd LOVE to hear this.
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I told you before I believe and know you to be a bigot.
Yet have produced precisely zero evidence.
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You are also a damn hypocrite that changes positions based on whom you support and whom you don't.
Do you own, or have you ever seen, something called a "mirror"?


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JLN, If #2 happens then #1 will happen as a direct result.


I thought "Whataboutism" was a crime punishable by death on here. I guess that is until it isn't apparently.

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RPB playing the role of AOC in this thread.

Yeah, that's what I wrote, but that's not what I meant! It's just a discussion starter!

Except I literally did not write anything.

WfR posted the article and quote.

I then asked if people thought the quote was legit. That's it.

But I understand you have your hands full with LTG.


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See Jorr, none of these pussies will even answer honestly. A poll would probably go 50-50


You are surprised?


No.. just surprised Rpb didn't answer. He has balls.



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I'm laughing at at a reference to you having balls when it comes to racial discussions.

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I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?

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I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).

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I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).


I already provided a reason why it might be murky. You can either address it (you haven't) or not. I have not mentioned one thing related to the memo section. If you think that providing one statement to police and another to the grand jury isn't a problem then you're a bigger idiot than first anticipated. I say this knowing that it would difficult for you to pull off but not impossible. Continue to lie about the damn check memo. Its sort of what you always do anyway.

Your constant disregarding and dismissing of facts isn't making this a "better place" by the way.

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badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).
Also, how quickly "I'm not so quick to believe two guys who are trying to avoid jail time" becomes "I totally believe those two guys trying to avoid jail time when they say the check was for personal training".

And finally: If we assume the check really was for personal training, that alone doesn't raise reasonable doubt.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).


I already provided a reason why it might be murky. You can either address it (you haven't) or not. I have not mentioned one thing related to the memo section. If you think that providing one statement to police and another to the grand jury isn't a problem then you're a bigger idiot than first anticipated. I say this knowing that it would difficult for you to pull off but not impossible. Continue to lie about the damn check memo. Its sort of what you always do anyway.

Your constant disregarding and dismissing of facts isn't making this a "better place" by the way.
Comments such as this really makes this a better place. I wonder why anyone would believe otherwise.


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Can anyone (Other than Stalking Horse Jones) provide a reason why Johnson stated that the $3,500 was for the alleged attack yet the two brothers stated that it was for personal training? Simple question. Why would they lie to Johnson about that?

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badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).


I already provided a reason why it might be murky. You can either address it (you haven't) or not. I have not mentioned one thing related to the memo section. If you think that providing one statement to police and another to the grand jury isn't a problem then you're a bigger idiot than first anticipated. I say this knowing that it would difficult for you to pull off but not impossible. Continue to lie about the damn check memo. Its sort of what you always do anyway.

Your constant disregarding and dismissing of facts isn't making this a "better place" by the way.



I'm trying to figure out your theory of how this actually played out. Are you suggesting that he was coincidentally attacked by his personal trainers who screamed "MAGA!" at him in Nigerian accents and he thought it was two white guys?

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).
Also, how quickly "I'm not so quick to believe two guys who are trying to avoid jail time" becomes "I totally believe those two guys trying to avoid jail time when they say the check was for personal training".

And finally: If we assume the check really was for personal training, that alone doesn't raise reasonable doubt.


It casts doubt on what the police (Eddie Johnson) has said. Just like the stuff about the letter being contradicted by the feds. Cast enough doubt on what the top cop says, and you can get to reasonable doubt pretty quickly.

It's all bullshit posturing but it might work.

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Never mind the timing the check does not say it's for a fake hate crime, so it can't be for anything else:

https://6abc.com/jussie-smolletts-check ... s/5155579/

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).
Also, how quickly "I'm not so quick to believe two guys who are trying to avoid jail time" becomes "I totally believe those two guys trying to avoid jail time when they say the check was for personal training".

And finally: If we assume the check really was for personal training, that alone doesn't raise reasonable doubt.


It casts doubt on what the police (Eddie Johnson) has said. Just like the stuff about the letter being contradicted by the feds. Cast enough doubt on what the top cop says, and you can get to reasonable doubt pretty quickly.

It's all bullshit posturing but it might work.

Reasonable doubt about what though ? Like JORR referenced above, does he really expect people to believe that it’s coincidence he was attacked by his personal trainers ?

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See Jorr, none of these pussies will even answer honestly. A poll would probably go 50-50


You are surprised?


No.. just surprised Rpb didn't answer. He has balls.



:lol: :lol:

Jealous of a board member who is respected by some here?



I'm laughing at at a reference to you having balls when it comes to racial discussions.

And you know why I laughed too.

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I know why you posted the laughing smilies, yes.

I hope you find peace.


I'm hoping you find the balls to actually say something publicly when confronted by racism. Instead of anonymously using it as a talking point on a message board.

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badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).


I already provided a reason why it might be murky. You can either address it (you haven't) or not. I have not mentioned one thing related to the memo section. If you think that providing one statement to police and another to the grand jury isn't a problem then you're a bigger idiot than first anticipated. I say this knowing that it would difficult for you to pull off but not impossible. Continue to lie about the damn check memo. Its sort of what you always do anyway.

Your constant disregarding and dismissing of facts isn't making this a "better place" by the way.



I'm trying to figure out your theory of how this actually played out. Are you suggesting that he was coincidentally attacked by his personal trainers who screamed "MAGA!" at him in Nigerian accents and he thought it was two white guys?



I think he is lying about not coordinating the attack. The MAGA stuff is incidental and for some reason people continue to focus on that. It may or may not have been. That's hearsay evidence anyway. Guys in Ski Masks you may or may not have been able to id them. At this point we know who attacked him. Now you determine whether it was staged or not. I think it was staged but there are some things that don't add up.

1. Why would Jussie positively ID the guys if he already knew their identification? The last thing you do if they are in on the gag is positively ID them. The last thing you'd want to happen is that they fold during interrogation. The way you insure that is to never have them come in for an interrogation.

2. One report says that the plan was hatched on Jan. 25. The check was dated for Jan 23 which sort of backs up the Personal Training angle.

3. Why would the two brothers provide conflicting statements regarding purpose of check?



What works against Ol Jussie is the fact that it would be difficult for the two guys to know where to find him in order to carry out the attack. No way they could have known that he would be ordering Subway at 2. A.M. on a cold ass night unless he told them.

Also no way that they would be carrying the items that they were carrying just to be carrying them.


Lastly why would they attack a guy that was potentially a cash cow for them? They seem as though they were in need of money. Why would they screw that up?

THere are other things such as the text messages and stuff, but these are some of the things that immediately jump out for me.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).
Also, how quickly "I'm not so quick to believe two guys who are trying to avoid jail time" becomes "I totally believe those two guys trying to avoid jail time when they say the check was for personal training".

And finally: If we assume the check really was for personal training, that alone doesn't raise reasonable doubt.


It casts doubt on what the police (Eddie Johnson) has said. Just like the stuff about the letter being contradicted by the feds. Cast enough doubt on what the top cop says, and you can get to reasonable doubt pretty quickly.

It's all bullshit posturing but it might work.


For some reason these two dupes don't seem to realize this. You get a couple of skilled lawyers (not message board lawyers like these two clowns) and they swiss cheese out of this particular contradiction. That is the point. When he was first arrested Johnson was quick to say they were paid to perform the attack. Now they contradicted him in testimony provided to the grand jury by saying it wasn't for the attack. There are reasons to doubt it right there.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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RPB playing the role of AOC in this thread.

Yeah, that's what I wrote, but that's not what I meant! It's just a discussion starter!

Except I literally did not write anything.

WfR posted the article and quote.

I then asked if people thought the quote was legit. That's it.

But I understand you have your hands full with LTG.


I'm not even talking to LTG. Just relax. You made a bigoted post and know you are distancing yourself from it. This will pass.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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I think he is lying about not coordinating the attack. The MAGA stuff is incidental and for some reason people continue to focus on that. It may or may not have been. That's hearsay evidence anyway. Guys in Ski Masks you may or may not have been able to id them. At this point we know who attacked him. Now you determine whether it was staged or not. I think it was staged but there are some things that don't add up.

1. Why would Jussie positively ID the guys if he already knew their identification?

2. One report says that the plan was hatched on Jan. 25. The check was dated for Jan 23 which sort of backs up the Personal Training angle.

3. Why would the two brothers provide conflicting statements regarding purpose of check?

What works against Ol Jussie is the fact that it would be difficult for the two guys to know where to find him in order to carry out the attack. No way they could have known that he would be ordering Subway at 2. A.M. on a cold ass night unless he told them.

Also no way that they would be carrying the items that they were carrying just to be carrying them.


Lastly why would they attack a guy that was potentially a cash cow for them? They seem as though they were in need of money. Why would they screw that up?

THere are other things such as the text messages and stuff, but these are some of the things that immediately jump out for me.



1. Jussie is an idiot who thought that the media would buy his story no matter what.

2. Jussie received the racist threat letter on January 22. He wrote the check on Jan 23. He was plotting something before the 25th.

3. Do you know exactly how the reports are different? I have not seen, but I would guess if you are a major source of income for someone you can ask them to do other favors for you.

Finally, the MAGA stuff is not "incidental". It's the entire reason why this attack was staged. To say otherwise is a lie. He needed to be a victim, and it had to be done to him by racist Trump supporters.

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