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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:15 pm 
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Looks like he fired my guy and went with some national guy. Not surprising that a guy who did all this for publicity would think that getting a high priced national attorney is better than going with one of one of Chicago's top criminal guys (who is also well known nationally) in the same jurisdiction you are charged in.

Hopefully my guy was able to get a nice retainer for 2 weeks of talking to reporters.


Yeah, $5,000 suits don't pay for themselves :lol:

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The check was supposed to be the smoking gun in all of this. Now it is being treated as if it is no big deal. It is a big deal if they lied about it.


If he had written similar checks to them in the past for training, I'd say there would be some doubt regarding the purpose of the check. But if this was the first check, and they were the ones who attacked him, it really doesn't matter what he wrote in the memo section.

I agree that his better play would have been not to ID them, but if you think about it, the check itself probably would have led police to interview them eventually. So it was just stupid all around.


That is the other thing. Why the hell would you leave a paper trail by paying them with a check? Pay them in cash and you don't have a problem with anything but phone messages.

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He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


How would they know he was a homosexual if they just attacked him for a minute? They would only know that if they knew him. And the only way it's a hate crime is is they used slurs, which included the MAGA country comment.



They would know that because he is that gay dude from Empire remember? If they referred to him as a f****t that is a slur in of itself. He said they called him that also. Empire isn't all that obscure. There are people that would be familiar with him.

Why would the brothers tell conflicting stories? One to the Police and one to the Grand Jury? I haven't been provided with a rationale for that one just yet.


Do you know for certain that the stories were in conflict? Or are they being interpreted differently?


Johnson said that the check was payment for the attack. The Brothers stated that the payment was for personal training. You explain how they could be interpreted differently and then maybe I will have a response for you.


And with your oily level of condescension you still aren't making this into a "better board". Maybe at some point you will. Maybe you are incapable. Try harder. Do better.

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The check was supposed to be the smoking gun in all of this. Now it is being treated as if it is no big deal. It is a big deal if they lied about it.


If he had written similar checks to them in the past for training, I'd say there would be some doubt regarding the purpose of the check. But if this was the first check, and they were the ones who attacked him, it really doesn't matter what he wrote in the memo section.

I agree that his better play would have been not to ID them, but if you think about it, the check itself probably would have led police to interview them eventually. So it was just stupid all around.


That is the other thing. Why the hell would you leave a paper trail by paying them with a check? Pay them in cash and you don't have a problem with anything but phone messages.


Anyone in television should've known the lesson of Jerry Springer. Especially someone on Fox.

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The check was supposed to be the smoking gun in all of this. Now it is being treated as if it is no big deal. It is a big deal if they lied about it.


If he had written similar checks to them in the past for training, I'd say there would be some doubt regarding the purpose of the check. But if this was the first check, and they were the ones who attacked him, it really doesn't matter what he wrote in the memo section.

I agree that his better play would have been not to ID them, but if you think about it, the check itself probably would have led police to interview them eventually. So it was just stupid all around.


That is the other thing. Why the hell would you leave a paper trail by paying them with a check? Pay them in cash and you don't have a problem with anything but phone messages.


Anyone in television should've known the lesson of Jerry Springer. Especially someone on Fox.


Read somewhere that the guys flipped in the 47th hour. According to Johnson they tried to hold out on snitching but they were about to be charged and that is when they dropped dime on him.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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Read somewhere that the guys flipped in the 47th hour. According to Johnson they tried to hold out on snitching but they were about to be charged and that is when they dropped dime on him.


But for this site, I'd never have heard that. Jussie should've sent them Shakes' guy. I'm certain he'd have had them stfu the last hour and walk.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


How would they know he was a homosexual if they just attacked him for a minute? They would only know that if they knew him. And the only way it's a hate crime is is they used slurs, which included the MAGA country comment.



They would know that because he is that gay dude from Empire remember? If they referred to him as a f****t that is a slur in of itself. He said they called him that also. Empire isn't all that obscure. There are people that would be familiar with him.

Why would the brothers tell conflicting stories? One to the Police and one to the Grand Jury? I haven't been provided with a rationale for that one just yet.


Do you know for certain that the stories were in conflict? Or are they being interpreted differently?

It's a lawyer CREATING inconsistencies.


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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If you buy they he lied about only a couple things then you have to buy the whole thing is a farce

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Nobody is questioning either of these suppositions, as far as I can tell:

1. That the two men shown on security camera footage in the area around the time of the attack are the ones who attacked Smollett.

2. That the men shown on security camera footage in the area around the time of the attack are the two brothers.

Right? So, in order for Jussie to successfully argue that he had no advanced knowledge of where, when, how and by whom the attack was supposed to be committed, he has to explain why those two brothers would want to beat him up. Everything else (the brothers switching cars to and from the location, buying ski masks, shouting MAGA stuff) can be explained away as two guys trying to obscure their identities and otherwise get away with their crime. However, there is one thing that cannot be explained if people want to posit that the attack was the genuine article: Jussie positively identifying his attackers as white, both to the police and on national television. That defense theory falls apart because of Smollett's own actions after the incident. This, of course, is to say nothing of the fact that the unquestioned attackers have said that Smollett asked them to stage the crime in the exact way it transpired.


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If you buy they he lied about only a couple things then you have to buy the whole thing is a farce


If those two guys are shown to have two different stories he probably walks. In order for your cooperation to be admitted you have to be 100% truthful. If those two brothers get on the stand and are found to be lying the whole case goes up in smoke.

It's their word against his.

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If you buy they he lied about only a couple things then you have to buy the whole thing is a farce


If those two guys are shown to have two different stories he probably walks. In order for your cooperation to be admitted you have to be 100% truthful. If those two brothers get on the stand and are found to be lying the whole case goes up in smoke.

It's their word against his.

$$ changes peoples' memories.

You would be a fool to think that shit ain't being negotiated hot 'n heavy right now, regardless of the scuttlebutt you are hearing at your favorite local bath house.

Stories will change. It doesn't make $en$e not to for Dumb & Dumber.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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Johnson said that the check was payment for the attack. The Brothers stated that the payment was for personal training. You explain how they could be interpreted differently and then maybe I will have a response for you.


And with your oily level of condescension you still aren't making this into a "better board". Maybe at some point you will. Maybe you are incapable. Try harder. Do better.


Except that's not the entire testimony before the grand jury. And even if it was then it's highly suspicious at best to pre-pay for five weeks of personal training and a diet plan. You are just being ridiculous about this detail for some reason. Like being transfixed by the idea that it doesn't matter if MAGA was said.

When you start writing and comprehending above a 4th grade level we will make this a better board. Happy to help with your journey.

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Johnson said that the check was payment for the attack. The Brothers stated that the payment was for personal training. You explain how they could be interpreted differently and then maybe I will have a response for you.


And with your oily level of condescension you still aren't making this into a "better board". Maybe at some point you will. Maybe you are incapable. Try harder. Do better.


Except that's not the entire testimony before the grand jury. And even if it was then it's highly suspicious at best to pre-pay for five weeks of personal training and a diet plan. You are just being ridiculous about this detail for some reason. Like being transfixed by the idea that it doesn't matter if MAGA was said.

When you start writing and comprehending above a 4th grade level we will make this a better board. Happy to help with your journey.



It doesn't matter if it's the entire story being provided to the grand jury. If they told top cop Johnson that it was for the attack and told the grand jury it was for training that is a problem.

If you had any sort of intellectual aptitude you'd understand that. I'm sure you struggled to graduate high school. Between the lack of Comprehension skills to improper use of grammar. From the terrible use of language to the inability to define simple words. It's a struggle. For the "most part to the most part" is but the latest in a long line of head scratching proclamations.

As stated by more than a few people here you should never question anyone's aptitude about anything. You are a first round knockout waiting to happen. You're akin to the tomato can fighters that they used to trot out at the Amphitheater back in the day.

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I’m sure you have a full transcript of their testimony. And even if you did you would lie about what it said.

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In other news:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 816523002/

Prissie Smollette is all like "Damn, at least I didn't kill my fucking cats....."
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I’m sure you have a full transcript of their testimony. And even if you did you would lie about what it said.


Why would I need the full transcript when it doesn't take that in order to find discrepancies in their statements? You're not making sense. No surprise there btw.

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In other news:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 816523002/

Prissie Smollette is all like "Damn, at least I didn't kill my fucking cats....."
:lol:


And two doggos...what a piece of shit. Fucking queers.

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Alright, hold on a second, LTG appears to have found a single line in a TMZ report and is clinging to it for dear life. TMZ is the only outlet with the original reporting that the brothers (one or both, doesn't matter) told the grand jury that Smollett's check was for training. Literally no other outlet [that I could find] that doesn't quote TMZ is running with this angle. In fact, in the TMZ piece claiming "As we reported, Ola and Abel also told the grand jury the payment was for training", there is a hyperlink inserted in the "payment was for training" line, which links to this piece, wherein there is absolutely no comment on the content of the grand jury testimony.

I can find no other TMZ piece wherein it is reported that any source has told the outlet about the testimony of the brothers before the grand jury.

LTG if you want to continue to claim that the brothers have deviated from the police narrative in their testimony, I suggest you find some original reporting, not a call-out from TMZ to a report of theirs which doesn't exist. Preferably a different news outlet, too.


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LTG doing some pretty impressive trolling in this thread. :lol:

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Looks like he fired my guy and went with some national guy. Not surprising that a guy who did all this for publicity would think that getting a high priced national attorney is better than going with one of one of Chicago's top criminal guys (who is also well known nationally) in the same jurisdiction you are charged in.

Hopefully my guy was able to get a nice retainer for 2 weeks of talking to reporters.


Yeah, $5,000 suits don't pay for themselves :lol:

I had one of them $5,000 sluts once and she was fun and all, but I been paying for it in various ways for a decade. (Wait...when was 1994? Since then, I mean.)

Oh, wait--


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Looks like he fired my guy and went with some national guy. Not surprising that a guy who did all this for publicity would think that getting a high priced national attorney is better than going with one of one of Chicago's top criminal guys (who is also well known nationally) in the same jurisdiction you are charged in.

Hopefully my guy was able to get a nice retainer for 2 weeks of talking to reporters.


Yeah, $5,000 suits don't pay for themselves :lol:

I had one of them $5,000 sluts once and she was fun and all, but I been paying for it in various ways for a decade. (Wait...when was 1994? Since then, I mean.)

Oh, wait--

JHC!. I hope you had a groupon or something.


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Looks like he fired my guy and went with some national guy. Not surprising that a guy who did all this for publicity would think that getting a high priced national attorney is better than going with one of one of Chicago's top criminal guys (who is also well known nationally) in the same jurisdiction you are charged in.

Hopefully my guy was able to get a nice retainer for 2 weeks of talking to reporters.


Yeah, $5,000 suits don't pay for themselves :lol:

I had one of them $5,000 sluts once and she was fun and all, but I been paying for it in various ways for a decade. (Wait...when was 1994? Since then, I mean.)

Oh, wait--

JHC!. I hope you had a groupon or something.

Nope. Stupidly, I didn't wear nothing. I figured that for 5 stacks, she'd be clean.


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And THAT'S why I would've voted for you in your poll.

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And THAT'S why I would've voted for you in your poll.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You didn’t get Krafted I assume, so there’s that.

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True of false?



Do you think someone is more likely to assault someone while wearing a maga hat? Or more likely to be assaulted for wearing a maga hat?



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https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/03/07 ... tt-attack/

60 people fired because of this f@ggot

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60 people fired because of this f@ggot


Beyond disgusting. The executives are an joke, but Jussie's bullshit has a lot of victims.

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I just want to see this shitbag lose 700k in attorney fees and do 6 months . Hopefully his career is over.

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https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/03/07/northwestern-employees-fired-jussie-smollett-attack/

60 people fired because of this f@ggot
But like, shouldn't regular people with (obviously needed) access to government-protected information be held accountable, even when the person in question is a celebrity who has presumably done something incredibly shitty?

These people have access to incredibly personal (and again, government-protected) medical records all day, every day, intrusions on the medical privacy of unwitting people, even celebrities, should be dealt with.


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