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How The White Sox Can Make The Playoffs for the 2019 Season and Shock The World

Things have not been good for the White Sox recently. The team has missed the playoffs 12 out of the last 13 seasons. They have been below .500 for the past six seasons. A terrible 2018 season and terrible offseason give most fans little reason to be optimistic for the upcoming season.

But White Sox fans – like all fans, deserve to have optimism and hope. If nothing else, they are due for some success.

Now, the White Sox lost 100 games last season, but thanks to a full year from Michael Kopech, and offseason acquisitions Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, they can – oh wait. Guess we’ll have to find another way to get there.

So how can the White Sox be contenders this year? Well for starters they’re going to need an easy route to the playoffs (which is rare to come by in the American League) as this team isn’t going to win 95-plus games. However, FanGraphs predicts that the Oakland Athletics would take the second wild card with only 84 wins this year. I think FanGraphs is underselling the competitiveness of the AL a bit, but maybe it’s possible the White Sox can take that second spot with 85 wins, as the Minnesota Twins did in 2017.

Of course, the White Sox are still going to have to finish 2019 with a better record than the 2019 Twins, as well as the Tampa Bay Rays, Athletics, Los Angeles Angels and any other team competing for the spot, or somehow finish the season with a better record than the Cleveland Indians. Unfortunately, Cleveland was able to hold on to hold to ace Corey Kluber this offseason, thanks in part to Rick Hahn stupidly giving Cleveland the payroll flexibility to hold onto Kluber through the trade of mediocre designated hitter Yonder Alonso.

Retaining Kluber means it’s pretty unlikely Cleveland will fall into the White Sox reach, so their best hope will likely be through the second wild card. The worse the Indians, A’s, and Rays are, the better the chances are for the Sox. While it’s likely they will all decline a little bit, we will need those teams to fall a lot for this to work.

Fangraphs predicts the White Sox to win 70 games in 2019, as does Baseball Prospectus. Other sources picks are a little bit more generous, but I’ll prefer to use a data-driven website as a starting point. What the White Sox need to do is take their projected 70-win team and beat the projections to the point where they become a team that wins 85-plus games.

It’s unlikely but it’s not impossible, as teams with a lot of young players and prospects ( like the White Sox now) have significantly beaten their projections and shocked the world in the past. Next, we’ll look at the teams’ projections by position and see how this could conceivably happen.


Catcher, First Base, and Second base – are held down by Welington Castillo, Jose Abreu, and Yolmer Sanchez. These players were all significantly worse in 2018 than they were in 2017 and that’s part of the reason why the Sox ended up declining by five wins over their previous season. For these players to revert to their 2017 slash lines isn’t that improbable, because we’re merely asking the players to do something they did before.

Castillo needs to bounce back after a 2018 PED suspension, and Abreu needs to bounce back after having the worst season of his career as (per baseball-reference) he fell from 4.7 WAR in 2017 to 1.7 WAR in 2018. Given that this bad season was mostly due to weird injuries and a prolonged mid-season slump, it isn’t unrealistic to see him bounce back given how great of a hitter he is.

At second base, Sanchez returns to his original position, and the Sox will need him to play like the player he was in the first half of 2017, and not 2018 when he put up a weak .678 OPS. Lame. If all three players bounce back this could bring the White Sox up four wins from 70 to 74.

Shortstop – Tim Anderson. Now, this is where it starts to get really important. What would we like from Anderson? Presumably a 30-30 season (the White Sox have never had one of those, ever), an on-base percentage significantly above .300, and better defense at shortstop. FanGraphs predicts a 1.8 bwar for the Sox at shortstop, and Anderson will need to beat that projection by at least one win (although hopefully 2), in order to get the win total up to 75.

Third base– Yoan Moncada. The White Sox are projected a 2.5 bwar from this position, and we need Moncada to be the player he was supposed to be and beat this projection by two wins, bringing the Sox win total to 77. Moncada will need to go from hitting .235 with 17 home runs to hitting .280 with 30 home runs. A tall order, but at least his defense will likely improve as he moves to third base.

Outfield – Jon Jay, Eloy Jimenez, and Daniel Palka. This one is tough because the White Sox will have to choose between Adam Engel’s terrible bat or Palka’s horrible glove. That choice could have been avoided for $330 million, but that’s neither here nor there. Jay is projected for a 0.8 bwar in 2019, and it’s fair to say he could beat that by a full win.

The problem with Palka is that his bat is projected to decline from his breakout rookie season, and his defense is even worse in right field than left field where it would be easier to hide him, yet right field really is the only position available for him at the moment due to Hahn’s roster construction.

Eloy Jimenez projects for a 3 bwar, which is excellent for a rookie but we’ll need him to outperform that for the Sox to be contenders this year. I think he could do this, because his defense is probably better than what he has been given credit for. Overall the White Sox will need to out-perform their outfield projections by at least 2-3 wins bringing the teams win total to about 80.

Designated hitter – Yonder Alonso is pretty much the same player he is ever year, so it’s unrealistic to expect any significant improvements, and I was already generous enough with the projection for Jose Abreu.

So for the White Sox to contend this year, they will more or less need Eloy Jimenez and Yoan Moncada to become super-stars, Tim Anderson to be a near all-star, and for Abreu, Castillo, and Yolmer Sanchez to return to their 2017 selves. That’s just the offensive side of things.


Starting Pitching – this is probably the most important part. While Carlos Rodon and Reynaldo Lopez can be counted on as average to above-average starters the rest of the rotation is full of question marks.

Lucas Giolito and Dylan Covey were two of the worst pitchers in baseball last year, and significant improvements from them would really help the teams win total. Giolito put up an atrocious negative -1.3 WAR last year, so an improvement to being a solid starting pitcher could net the White Sox two to four more extra wins. That still isn’t enough, as Ivan Nova is just plain mediocre, and he will likely be gone at the trading deadline to make room for Dylan Cease , who the Sox will also need to be good once he comes up.

What the White Sox will need from their rotation is a big breakout season from one of their guys to become an out of nowhere ace. Whether it’s Giolito, Covey, or Carson Fulmer, one of those guys will need to become ace-like pitcher to get them to be an 85-plus win team and compete for a playoff spot.

The Bullpen – The White Sox spent some capital (prospects and money) to add Alex Colome and Kelvin Herrera, who will give them a good chance to lock down late-inning leads. Also, both should be nice midseason trade chips, assuming Herrera returns to form following last year's foot injury. Contending teams are always looking for bullpen help. Caleb Frare is someone to watch. He struck out 77 batters in 57 1/3 minor-league innings last year and had nine strikeouts in seven big-league innings. He might only be a left-on-left specialist, but he could be a very good one.


Could the White Sox sneak up on everyone?

Maybe! Probably not, but maybe. The Indians remain the clear-cut favorite in the AL Central in my opinion, though they didn't do a whole lot to get better over the winter. The best thing you can say about Cleveland's offseason is that they didn't trade Corey Kluber or Trevor Bauer. Their vaunted rotation remains intact.

The Twins had a nice little winter thanks to some shrewd low-cost pickups, but the Tigers and Royals are rebuilding, meaning the White Sox have that much less competition to worry about. For the White Sox to sneak up on everyone and compete for a division title, at least some combination, but likely all of the following needs to happen:

-The Twins and especially the Indians deal with injuries and/or unexpected poor performance.
-Eloy Jimenez arrives and pulls a Juan Soto/Ronald Acuna, meaning become an instant star.
-Things click for Moncada and he becomes a switch-hitting version of Matt Chapman.
-Anderson begins to put it together and becomes a two-way impact player.
-Rodon and Giolito straighten things out and become above-average starters.
-One-year rentals like Jay, Alonso, Nova, and Santana provide strong seasons.

That's a lot that has to go the White Sox's way, which is why contention is unlikely, but it's not impossible either. Baseball is a crazy game. The Athletics went from 75 wins in 2017 to 97 wins in 2018. The Cubs went from 73 wins in 2014 to 97 wins in 2015. When you're loaded with talented young players, it can come together quick. The White Sox have the makings of an excellent core in Jimenez, Moncada, Anderson, Kopech, Giolito, and others. Maybe (Probably) 2019 isn't their year. But at least now we can see where this is all heading.

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Dunning shut down. Hahn says TJS is a possibility.

You need 20 minor league starters to get five good and healthy ones.

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Yoan crushing a Hamels pitch into the teeth of a stiff wind today helps. At least until Giolito gave up a second bomb.

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Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

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Collins loves to walk!

Look at that BA vs OBP diff


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.


So now you've got Collins at first. Everybody says Jimenez will be at first. Everybody says Burger can't play third, he'll end up at first. Sheets is at first.

Do they understand you can only play one first baseman?

This rebuild will never succeed. They have a bunch of clowns in every department. Detroit and Kansas City will shortly overtake them and Minnesota will always be smarter than the White Sox.


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juschill wrote:
Everybody says Jimenez will be at first.
Who is this everybody you speak of? Sources please.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Collins loves to walk!

Look at that BA vs OBP diff


.232 vs. .379 in the minors


Has a great eye but poor hand eye coordination apparently.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Collins loves to walk!

Look at that BA vs OBP diff


.232 vs. .379 in the minors


Has a great eye but poor hand eye coordination apparently.


That's not an important skill for a major league hitter, is it?

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Collins loves to walk!

Look at that BA vs OBP diff


.232 vs. .379 in the minors


Has a great eye but poor hand eye coordination apparently.


That's not an important skill for a major league hitter, is it?


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
juschill wrote:
Everybody says Jimenez will be at first.
Who is this everybody you speak of? Sources please.



I've heard 1B or DH.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.



This is what happens when you draft for need.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking Caller Bobs. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
juschill wrote:
Everybody says Jimenez will be at first.
Who is this everybody you speak of? Sources please.


Go peruse WSI and SoxTalk. I know they’re all a-holes but universally they say Jimenez will be at first base.


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Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking great men of wisdom. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.


This.


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Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking great men of wisdom. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.


My knowledge of the Cubs/White Sox dynamic only stretches back to the late 80's, but during that time this has never been a 50/50 town. I grew up in the southwest suburbs which should have been solid White Sox country, but even there (as a Sox fan) I was in a distinct minority. I would say the split was something like 33/66. Also, if I go back a generation and look at the baby boomer members of my family, I would say about half of them are Cubs fans, and these are all people from the south side or south suburbs. Therefore, if you broaden out the scope and look at people from the west side/west suburbs and people from the north side/north suburbs, I have to imagine the percentage of White Sox fans would drop precipitously.

When exactly are you claiming that this was a 50/50 town?


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Warren Newson wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking great men of wisdom. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.


My knowledge of the Cubs/White Sox dynamic only stretches back to the late 80's, but during that time this has never been a 50/50 town. I grew up in the southwest suburbs which should have been solid White Sox country, but even there (as a Sox fan) I was in a distinct minority. I would say the split was something like 33/66. Also, if I go back a generation and look at the baby boomer members of my family, I would say about half of them are Cubs fans, and these are all people from the south side or south suburbs. Therefore, if you broaden out the scope and look at people from the west side/west suburbs and people from the north side/north suburbs, I have to imagine the percentage of White Sox fans would drop precipitously.

When exactly are you claiming that this was a 50/50 town?


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Warren Newson wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking great men of wisdom. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.


My knowledge of the Cubs/White Sox dynamic only stretches back to the late 80's, but during that time this has never been a 50/50 town. I grew up in the southwest suburbs which should have been solid White Sox country, but even there (as a Sox fan) I was in a distinct minority. I would say the split was something like 33/66. Also, if I go back a generation and look at the baby boomer members of my family, I would say about half of them are Cubs fans, and these are all people from the south side or south suburbs. Therefore, if you broaden out the scope and look at people from the west side/west suburbs and people from the north side/north suburbs, I have to imagine the percentage of White Sox fans would drop precipitously.

When exactly are you claiming that this was a 50/50 town?


It all changed in 1984.

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Warren Newson wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking great men of wisdom. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.


My knowledge of the Cubs/White Sox dynamic only stretches back to the late 80's, but during that time this has never been a 50/50 town. I grew up in the southwest suburbs which should have been solid White Sox country, but even there (as a Sox fan) I was in a distinct minority. I would say the split was something like 33/66. Also, if I go back a generation and look at the baby boomer members of my family, I would say about half of them are Cubs fans, and these are all people from the south side or south suburbs. Therefore, if you broaden out the scope and look at people from the west side/west suburbs and people from the north side/north suburbs, I have to imagine the percentage of White Sox fans would drop precipitously.

When exactly are you claiming that this was a 50/50 town?

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Nardi wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Collins now a first baseman. Another wasted first round pick.

Fucking great men of wisdom. Burger can't get it over from 3rd to 1st on a line, Collins has 40 PBs. Fulmer jerks his head like a little leaguer. Wtf they looking at when they draft these fatsos. On top of it, got a jerkoff VP blaming a free agent for taking 50 mildough more.

Just move. Ownership turned a 50/50 town into an 80/20 town. I mean, what's the point anymore.


My knowledge of the Cubs/White Sox dynamic only stretches back to the late 80's, but during that time this has never been a 50/50 town. I grew up in the southwest suburbs which should have been solid White Sox country, but even there (as a Sox fan) I was in a distinct minority. I would say the split was something like 33/66. Also, if I go back a generation and look at the baby boomer members of my family, I would say about half of them are Cubs fans, and these are all people from the south side or south suburbs. Therefore, if you broaden out the scope and look at people from the west side/west suburbs and people from the north side/north suburbs, I have to imagine the percentage of White Sox fans would drop precipitously.

When exactly are you claiming that this was a 50/50 town?

Can you read?


It was a 50/50 town pre-Reinsdorf? It was a 50/50 town pre-rebuild? Perhaps you could be more specific.


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Harry moving was a big part of it.

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As expected, Dunning with TJS.

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Harry moving was a big part of it.

As did the revitalization of Wrigleyville. As Jorr noted, The Cubs weren’t really a thing prior to 1984; in part because the area around the park wasn’t really enticing to the 20-30 year old crowd.

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Everybody says Jimenez will be at first.
Who is this everybody you speak of? Sources please.

Go peruse WSI and SoxTalk.
:lol: So your "source" for this is just a bunch of random guys on a message board throwing shit at the wall seeing if it will stick?

Great insight you brought to the table with this. Really top notch analysis.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
juschill wrote:
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Everybody says Jimenez will be at first.
Who is this everybody you speak of? Sources please.

Go peruse WSI and SoxTalk.
:lol: So your "source" for this is just a bunch of random guys on a message board throwing shit at the wall seeing if it will stick?

Great insight you brought to the table with this. Really top notch analysis.


Whatever jackass. The initial comment wasn’t directed to you anyway. You can go back to carrying Kenmy’s Jockstrap in your mouth like you have been since the Machado train wreck.


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No, its not "whatever." You said "everybody says Jimenez will be at 1st." I asked you to provide sources for that, and you didn't. You can just admit you were full of shit, or actually provide a link to a report or something legitimate that says Eloy is on track to be a 1st baseman.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Collins loves to walk!

Look at that BA vs OBP diff


.232 vs. .379 in the minors


Has a great eye but poor hand eye coordination apparently.


That's not an important skill for a major league hitter, is it?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
No, its not "whatever." You said "everybody says Jimenez will be at 1st." I asked you to provide sources for that, and you didn't. You can just admit you were full of shit, or actually provide a link to a report or something legitimate that says Eloy is on track to be a 1st baseman.


You asked for a link but you're not entitled to get what you want when you ask for something just because you ask for it. I don't have to admit I was full of anything because I wasn't conversing with you. Take Kenny's jockstrap out of your throat.


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