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Never mind that stupidity in whatever minor-minor-minor league they're dicking around with mound distance during the backend of their season.
Now there's an idea! You get three relievers in a game. For every pitching change after the 4th, the mound gets moved back 5'. So if you get a manager who wants to use 9 pitchers in a game? Great, but then the guys are throwing lobs from 90' away.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Who thinks that is a good idea?

The mentally challenged and people who wouldn't know a horsefly from an infield fly.

Never mind that stupidity in whatever minor-minor-minor league they're dicking around with mound distance during the backend of their season.

Selig looks better every day.

Yea, that's an independent league doing that as Julie "always prepared" DiCaro found out live on the air when she said its stupid to have different rules for guys trying to make the MLB


When told it was an unaffiliated independent league, she said "well guys are still trying to make the majors even if they never do"

They do and it's not that rare.


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Awful idea.


I wouldn't be surprised if they went back on that before next year.



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rogers park bryan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
Who thinks that is a good idea?

The mentally challenged and people who wouldn't know a horsefly from an infield fly.

Never mind that stupidity in whatever minor-minor-minor league they're dicking around with mound distance during the backend of their season.

Selig looks better every day.

Yea, that's an independent league doing that as Julie "always prepared" DiCaro found out live on the air when she said its stupid to have different rules for guys trying to make the MLB


When told it was an unaffiliated independent league, she said "well guys are still trying to make the majors even if they never do"

They do and it's not that rare.

Affiliation, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with how idiotic the idea is.

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Don Tiny wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
Who thinks that is a good idea?

The mentally challenged and people who wouldn't know a horsefly from an infield fly.

Never mind that stupidity in whatever minor-minor-minor league they're dicking around with mound distance during the backend of their season.

Selig looks better every day.

Yea, that's an independent league doing that as Julie "always prepared" DiCaro found out live on the air when she said its stupid to have different rules for guys trying to make the MLB


When told it was an unaffiliated independent league, she said "well guys are still trying to make the majors even if they never do"

They do and it's not that rare.

Affiliation, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with how idiotic the idea is.

Agreed. Its the dumbest of all the dumb ideas. Just pointing out ANOTHER instance of DiCaro being corrected on air then STILL finding a way to be wrong.


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Have it graduated. 3 batter minimum from 1st-7th. 2 batters in 8th. 1 in 9th. Go back to 3 batters in extras.

This could add strategy. Your best reliever might come in the 7th tied or up 1. And he might very well stay right through the game. Just as God intended. Better for the health of the bullpen arms not being up throwing 4 or 5 games a week.

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Have it graduated. 3 batter minimum from 1st-7th. 2 batters in 8th. 1 in 9th. Go back to 3 batters in extras.

This could add strategy. Your best reliever might come in the 7th tied or up 1. And he might very well stay right through the game. Just as God intended. Better for the health of the bullpen arms not being up throwing 4 or 5 games a week.


Along those lines, I was thinking this might make it more likely that managers start the game with a reliever, and then have the starter come in later.

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Have it graduated. 3 batter minimum from 1st-7th. 2 batters in 8th. 1 in 9th. Go back to 3 batters in extras.

This could add strategy. Your best reliever might come in the 7th tied or up 1. And he might very well stay right through the game. Just as God intended. Better for the health of the bullpen arms not being up throwing 4 or 5 games a week.


Along those lines, I was thinking this might make it more likely that managers start the game with a reliever, and then have the starter come in later.


Listen, something has to be done for less coddling of starters and more coddling of relievers. It's WAY out of balance. Obviously, aces are always going to be aces and they will go the consistent 7+ innings. but when you hit the your 3-5 starters, are they really worth resting for 4 or 5 days for 5 innings of inconsistent pitching? Not saying your relief corps is any better, but saving your #3 pitcher on the team for the 3 final innings is something to be considered.

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I posted a simpler version of this on Reddit.

Game 7 of the World Series, 8th inning, tie game. LOOGY brought in to face the first hitter, gets him out. RH hitter comes up.

LOOGY walks off the mound and down to home plate. Starts screaming at the home plate ump about how the ump's teenage daughter is a slut who gets fucked by donkeys and Puerto Ricans. Says all the magic words.

What does the ump do? Toss him, and let the manager bring in a RH pitcher? Or sit there and take it so Manfred doesn't get mad at him.

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Or have the LOOGY throw at the righty batter's head. No contact, just vicinity. Then what.

I don't like the La Russification of bullpens but these rule changes are worse. Leave baseball rules alone.

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I wish they'd just stop fucking with the game.

for decades, not one rule change. Why now?

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I wish they'd just stop fucking with the game.

for decades, not one rule change. Why now?

There's safety rules which are their own thing, but the main reason is declining viewership and declining interest with the youth. That's not a good combo, so they need to figure out how to make that work a little better. Back in the 70s when you didn't have the Internet or cable channels, you would happily watch a 3.5 hour game on TV. Now the game is 4.5 hours, and attention spans are a fifth of what they used to be.

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It's official :?

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Major League Baseball has made official a rule change that many purists were dreading: Pitchers will have to face a minimum of three hitters before their team can make a pitching change.

The three-bat minimum had long been talked about coming to MLB this season, but the league spelled out the specifics Wednesday:

The Official Baseball Rules have been amended to require the starting or any relief pitcher to pitch to a minimum of three batters, including the batter then at bat (or any substitute batter), until such batters are put out or reach base, or until the offensive team is put out, unless the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness which, in the umpire crew chief’s judgment, incapacitates him from further play as a pitcher. The three-batter minimum will become effective in 2020 Spring Training beginning on Thursday, March 12th.

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Other MLB rule changes for 2020

• Rosters are expanding from 25 to 26 players during the regular season and postseason. With that, there’s a maximum of 13 pitchers.

• R.I.P the 40-man roster. September rosters will be limited to 28 players with a maximum of 14 pitchers.

• Teams can designate “two-way players” who won’t count toward the pitcher limitations on rosters. To qualify, players need at least 20 Major League innings pitched and at least 20 Major League games started as a position player or DH with at least three plate appearances in each of those games. For the first year, player stats from 2018 and 2019 could be used.

• There are some limitations on when a position player can pitch. Now they can only pitch if their team is behind by six or more runs or if a game is in extra innings.

• Managers will now have 20 seconds instead of 30 to challenge a call on the field.

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were it me, I'd reduce pitchers to 12 and nix the three batter rule. Otherwise I think its "OK."

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So how does the ump decide if the pitcher has a legit illness or injury? DUMB.

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So how does the ump decide if the pitcher has a legit illness or injury? DUMB.


If he comes out for injury he should have to sit a certain amount of games.

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It's official :?

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Major League Baseball has made official a rule change that many purists were dreading: Pitchers will have to face a minimum of three hitters before their team can make a pitching change.

The three-bat minimum had long been talked about coming to MLB this season, but the league spelled out the specifics Wednesday:

The Official Baseball Rules have been amended to require the starting or any relief pitcher to pitch to a minimum of three batters, including the batter then at bat (or any substitute batter), until such batters are put out or reach base, or until the offensive team is put out, unless the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness which, in the umpire crew chief’s judgment, incapacitates him from further play as a pitcher. The three-batter minimum will become effective in 2020 Spring Training beginning on Thursday, March 12th.

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• R.I.P the 40-man roster. September rosters will be limited to 28 players with a maximum of 14 pitchers.

• Teams can designate “two-way players” who won’t count toward the pitcher limitations on rosters. To qualify, players need at least 20 Major League innings pitched and at least 20 Major League games started as a position player or DH with at least three plate appearances in each of those games. For the first year, player stats from 2018 and 2019 could be used.

• There are some limitations on when a position player can pitch. Now they can only pitch if their team is behind by six or more runs or if a game is in extra innings.

• Managers will now have 20 seconds instead of 30 to challenge a call on the field.

So a pitcher can face only 1 batter if there's 2 outs.

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If he ends the inning. If the batter he was brought in to face gets on, he has to face at least two more hitters or record the 3rd out.

Or I suppose he can get "hurt"

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If he ends the inning. If the batter he was brought in to face gets on, he has to face at least two more hitters or record the 3rd out.

Or I suppose he can get "hurt"

Right.

I think it's fine. All you have to do is make a "hurt" pitcher ineligible for 7 days. I mean, if it's legit, he's out at least 10 days anyway.

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All LOOGY's are basically unemployed now.

Good.

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All LOOGY's are basically unemployed now.

They can learn to code.

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Nothing like setting the game back 60 years :D
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were it me, I'd reduce pitchers to 12 and nix the three batter rule. Otherwise I think its "OK."

The slow speed of the game is tied to 2 specific problems 1. commericals 2. too many bullpen changes. Impacting number 2 can only really be addressed by the number of pitchers on the roster. Period.

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Riddle me this..pennant race...you have bases loaded, RHP on the mound, (he's only faced two batters so far)...two outs...Yelich coming up to bat..you got a LHP in the bullpen with very good numbers against him, what's going to stop a team from having that pitcher take a "dive" so you can bring in your LHP?


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Hatchetman wrote:
were it me, I'd reduce pitchers to 12 and nix the three batter rule. Otherwise I think its "OK."

The slow speed of the game is tied to 2 specific problems 1. commericals 2. too many bullpen changes. Impacting number 2 can only really be addressed by the number of pitchers on the roster. Period.

Bullpens arms are being destroyed as is. Reducing pitchers suddenly doesn't give managers pause on overuse.

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Riddle me this..pennant race...you have bases loaded, RHP on the mound, (he's only faced two batters so far)...two outs...Yelich coming up to bat..you got a LHP in the bullpen with very good numbers against him, what's going to stop a team from having that pitcher take a "dive" so you can bring in your LHP?

A new rule next year. It will be OK Bob. Not the end of the world.

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Riddle me this..pennant race...you have bases loaded, RHP on the mound, (he's only faced two batters so far)...two outs...Yelich coming up to bat..you got a LHP in the bullpen with very good numbers against him, what's going to stop a team from having that pitcher take a "dive" so you can bring in your LHP?

A new rule next year. It will be OK Bob. Not the end of the world.


They "half-made" a rule. No ump is going to say "suck it up buttercup" to a pitcher otherwise they could get sued. A mandatory DL trip could help, but if that pitcher is eligible the next day teams are going to exploit the shit out of this.


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Riddle me this..pennant race...you have bases loaded, RHP on the mound, (he's only faced two batters so far)...two outs...Yelich coming up to bat..you got a LHP in the bullpen with very good numbers against him, what's going to stop a team from having that pitcher take a "dive" so you can bring in your LHP?
If the RHP is the starter, the LHP can come into the game.

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