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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:11 pm 
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There has been a police killing that was probably overcharged for obvious reasons and he was acquitted tonight. He should have been guilty of something for sure but the DA boxed the jury into not being able to. We know the story.

Anyway as when the killing happened protests peaceful and no burn down the city.

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Another fucking coward cop shoots a guy in the back and gets off. Big surprise. Hopefully some street justice comes to that cop.

Glad they didn’t riot though. That doesn’t help.

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In testimony Thursday, Rosfeld said he initially pulled over the gold Chevy Cruze because it matched the description of a car involved in a drive-by shooting 20 minutes earlier. The car with a shattered rear windshield was riddled with bullet holes when Rosfeld called in a felony traffic stop. Rosfeld testified that he knew from radio dispatch communication that there had been between 10 and 12 shots fired during the drive-by shooting that happened just about a mile and half from where he encountered the suspect vehicle and Rose, which Rosfeld said signaled to him that there may have been more than one armed suspect in the car. After ordering the driver onto the ground, he said, the front seat passenger, Rose, exited the vehicle and "turned his hand toward Officer Rosfeld and he, Officer Rosfeld, saw something dark that he perceived as a gun."
Rosfeld has been criticized for an inconsistency in his tellings of the incident, because when asked again to recount the events, Rosfeld "told the detectives that he did not see a gun when the passenger emerged and ran. When confronted with this inconsistency, Rosfeld stated he saw something in the passenger's hand but was not sure what it was," the complaint said.
Though unbeknownst to Rosfeld when he fatally shot Rose, police later found two stolen guns in the car, traces of gun residue on Antwon Rose's hand and the empty clip of a handgun in his pants pocket, according to court records.
Several witnesses during the trial testified that Rosfeld was distraught and emotional after realizing he fatally shot Rose.



Yeah sure looks like he took down an innocent kid. Good job officer.

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Sure looks he shot someone in the back because he deemed him worthy to die. And you applaud that rogue. The fuck is the matter with you? You seem to be making a case that anyone suspected of a crime should be allowed to be killed in the streets by government thugs. Very sad.

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Sure looks he shot someone in the back because he deemed him worthy to die. And you applaud that rogue. The fuck is the matter with you? You seem to be making a case that anyone suspected of a crime should be allowed to be killed in the streets by government thugs. Very sad.


You do realize the cop has to make a split second decision on whether someone has a weapon in their hand correct? Imagine you're a cop with a family; do you hesitate and possibly get shot, leaving you dead or critically injured? How would your children or spouse feel about that?

Maybe if assholes listened more to police and do exactly what they are exactly told to do (no sudden movements, keep hands in plain sight) then mistaken shootings would decrease. It appears the occupants were involved in the drive-by so I have no sympathy for the POS dying.

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Sure looks he shot someone in the back because he deemed him worthy to die. And you applaud that rogue. The fuck is the matter with you? You seem to be making a case that anyone suspected of a crime should be allowed to be killed in the streets by government thugs. Very sad.


You do realize the cop has to make a split second decision on whether someone has a weapon in their hand correct? Imagine you're a cop with a family; do you hesitate and possibly get shot, leaving you dead or critically injured? How would your children or spouse feel about that?

Maybe if assholes listened more to police and do exactly what they are exactly told to do (no sudden movements, keep hands in plain sight) then mistaken shootings would decrease. It appears the occupants were involved in the drive-by so I have no sympathy for the POS dying.

Get a load of this bootlicker here...

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Sure looks he shot someone in the back because he deemed him worthy to die. And you applaud that rogue. The fuck is the matter with you? You seem to be making a case that anyone suspected of a crime should be allowed to be killed in the streets by government thugs. Very sad.


You do realize the cop has to make a split second decision on whether someone has a weapon in their hand correct? Imagine you're a cop with a family; do you hesitate and possibly get shot, leaving you dead or critically injured? How would your children or spouse feel about that?

Maybe if assholes listened more to police and do exactly what they are exactly told to do (no sudden movements, keep hands in plain sight) then mistaken shootings would decrease. It appears the occupants were involved in the drive-by so I have no sympathy for the POS dying.

Get a load of this bootlicker here...


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 Post subject: Re: Pittsburgh
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FrankDrebin wrote:
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Sure looks he shot someone in the back because he deemed him worthy to die. And you applaud that rogue. The fuck is the matter with you? You seem to be making a case that anyone suspected of a crime should be allowed to be killed in the streets by government thugs. Very sad.


You do realize the cop has to make a split second decision on whether someone has a weapon in their hand correct? Imagine you're a cop with a family; do you hesitate and possibly get shot, leaving you dead or critically injured? How would your children or spouse feel about that?

Maybe if assholes listened more to police and do exactly what they are exactly told to do (no sudden movements, keep hands in plain sight) then mistaken shootings would decrease. It appears the occupants were involved in the drive-by so I have no sympathy for the POS dying.

Soldiers overseas face much more extreme circumstances and are held way more accountable for breaking the ROE. I have no sympathy for cowardly cops who shoot first rather than rely on their training. This guy should have gone to jail for decades. But yes most people think like you do which is why cops have a license to murder.

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Cry more.

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Cry more.

Fellate cops more.

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 Post subject: Re: Pittsburgh
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FrankDrebin wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Sure looks he shot someone in the back because he deemed him worthy to die. And you applaud that rogue. The fuck is the matter with you? You seem to be making a case that anyone suspected of a crime should be allowed to be killed in the streets by government thugs. Very sad.


You do realize the cop has to make a split second decision on whether someone has a weapon in their hand correct? Imagine you're a cop with a family; do you hesitate and possibly get shot, leaving you dead or critically injured? How would your children or spouse feel about that?

Maybe if assholes listened more to police and do exactly what they are exactly told to do (no sudden movements, keep hands in plain sight) then mistaken shootings would decrease. It appears the occupants were involved in the drive-by so I have no sympathy for the POS dying.


Cops are supposed to read people's minds. If they can't, they deserve to die. It's a totally reasonable position.


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 Post subject: Re: Pittsburgh
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It’s not a day to take a victory lap. It is sad and terrible. The point is it wasn’t murder one. It never should have been charged that way but the DA as always happens defers to the mob and fucks it up. In the trial the judge says you can’t consider any other charge.

So pick one. The DA is in on it to stay good with cops. Or the DA is a fuckup more worried about votes and rep. Neither choice cares about a troubled kid that wasn’t long for this world likely anyway. Terribly sad.

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 Post subject: Re: Pittsburgh
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I've technically had cops use the "you look like someone who was reported casing out [the local credit union]" as an excuse to essentially stop-n-frisk me on an otherwise routine walk home, and you just kind of accept it for what it is... But in this case where you've got a car with no rear windshield and bulletholes in it I mean... Even tho the cops technically didn't know there were two guns in the car and all that, whenever I'm in the authoritative presence of cops I always default to 100.0% total obedience with that nagging reminder in the back of my head "if shit goes wrong I could end up dead" given the nature of the job... Methinks the possibility of ending up all fucked up rises dramatically whenever you're pulled over in a car with bulletholes in it.

There's gotta be some kind of survival instinct hardwired in your mind like "hey these people with guns have reason to think that I've been involved in recent gunplay" --- no matter what you wanna preach about stereotyping, powertripping cops, etc.... The facts remain that you are now in a situation where the potential of you getting shot has risen dramatically so you really oughta consider 100.0% total subservience to the guy/s with the guns who have reason to think that you might suddenly wanna kill them; so they're likely a split second away from returning the favor at any given moment. If it were me in this situation I'd wanna audibly communicate whatever I have in my hands and ask the people with the guns how they want me.to proceed, cuz at that juncture it's their dime their dancefloor. Copping some kind of chip on your shoulder attitude at a time like this where you pretty obviously just dun goof'd? man that's textbook "how you end up getting shot"

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 Post subject: Re: Pittsburgh
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Cry more.

Fellate cops more.


I believe he posted earlier this week that Saturday night is assplay time in the Brogue household. Better watch the nightstick time? :shock:

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Cry more.

Fellate cops more.


I believe he posted earlier this week that Saturday night is assplay time in the Brogue household. Better watch the nightstick time? :shock:

Rogue needs to get his snide comments in as a Leo bootlicker but he knows when he’s wrong.

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It sure as fuck isn’t in this case that’s for sure . Justice prevailed and was served on a couple different levels . #backtheblue

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I'm basically a moderate on the cop stuff, at least relative to my political cohort, but I just want to ask: how far can the follow-all-orders decree reasonably be taken? The simon-says murderer in that Arizona hotel hallway, would you guys defend him?

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It sure as fuck isn’t in this case that’s for sure . Justice prevailed and was served on a couple different levels . #backtheblue

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I'm basically a moderate on the cop stuff, at least relative to my political cohort, but I just want to ask: how far can the follow-all-orders decree reasonably be taken? The simon-says murderer in that Arizona hotel hallway, would you guys defend him?

They already did, right? That thread took place already iirc.

Cops could shoot their family members and they would still make excuses for them. There’s no reasoning with these people.

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I'm basically a moderate on the cop stuff, at least relative to my political cohort, but I just want to ask: how far can the follow-all-orders decree reasonably be taken? The simon-says murderer in that Arizona hotel hallway, would you guys defend him?


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I'm basically a moderate on the cop stuff, at least relative to my political cohort, but I just want to ask: how far can the follow-all-orders decree reasonably be taken? The simon-says murderer in that Arizona hotel hallway, would you guys defend him?


Not sure which one you're referencing, but there are certainly situations where cops are in the wrong. The point that the "cops are always wrong" crowd fails to understand is that cops are people with families too. We ask a lot of them, and they are making split-second decisions that could wind up with them getting killed. If we are going to ask cops to risk their lives and confront criminals, there has to be an expectation that those they are confronting do what they ask, within reason. If a cop steps over the line with those orders, take it up in court. But if we ask cops to both maintain control of situations and exercise perfect discretion in split-second matters of life-and-death, it is an impossible ask. Most of these shootings occur by accident because the cops are being asked to perform an impossible task, not because they are blood-thirsty killers. There are rare exceptions, of course. Just follow the cops' general instructions, and there is a very high likelihood that nothing unexpected happens. Is that really too much to ask?


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I'm basically a moderate on the cop stuff, at least relative to my political cohort, but I just want to ask: how far can the follow-all-orders decree reasonably be taken? The simon-says murderer in that Arizona hotel hallway, would you guys defend him?


Not sure which one you're referencing, but there are certainly situations where cops are in the wrong. The point that the "cops are always wrong" crowd fails to understand is that cops are people with families too. We ask a lot of them, and they are making split-second decisions that could wind up with them getting killed. If we are going to ask cops to risk their lives and confront criminals, there has to be an expectation that those they are confronting do what they ask, within reason. If a cop steps over the line with those orders, take it up in court. But if we ask cops to both maintain control of situations and exercise perfect discretion in split-second matters of life-and-death, it is an impossible ask. Most of these shootings occur by accident because the cops are being asked to perform an impossible task, not because they are blood-thirsty killers. There are rare exceptions, of course. Just follow the cops' general instructions, and there is a very high likelihood that nothing unexpected happens. Is that really too much to ask?

It’s not an impossible task whatsoever and saying so is irresponsible. Cops need to be given a lot more training, and they should be paid better, but it’s factually wrong to say their job is impossible without sometimes shooting unarmed people in the back.

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If you want to make the argument that most of these cops aren't trained properly and it causes poor reactions, go ahead. If you are going to argue that they do it because they enjoy killing people, you're an idiot.


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If you want to make the argument that most of these cops aren't trained properly and it causes poor reactions, go ahead. If you are going to argue that they do it because they enjoy killing people, you're an idiot.

Well there’s clearly some of both, don’t be an idiot, but it’s more of the former. That’s not an excuse for shooting an unarmed person in the back though. I think it’s fair to uphold our domestic law enforcement to the same standards as soldiers in a combat zone.

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Looks like Mike called this putt a bit early.

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Cops are supposed to read people's minds. If they can't, they deserve to die. It's a totally reasonable position.

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I'm basically a moderate on the cop stuff, at least relative to my political cohort, but I just want to ask: how far can the follow-all-orders decree reasonably be taken? The simon-says murderer in that Arizona hotel hallway, would you guys defend him?

They already did, right? That thread took place already iirc.

Cops could shoot their family members and they would still make excuses for them. There’s no reasoning with these people.

There is a strong belief by many that it is better for there to be a thousand wrongful deaths by civilians if it saves one cop from a wrongful death.

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Idk. There are what I would call small demonstrations. No fires and violence. Worst I saw was the groups entered some restaurants to be disruptive.

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