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Column: On the West Side, the street shows no fear of Chicago police

I’d hate it when some old-time police sergeant, usually an old white guy but sometimes black, would stand, hand on hip and sigh.

And in the laconic and bitterly ironic tone of Chicago police, he’d make the big speech of five words:

“Gonna be a bad summer.”

I’d cringe, because, well, who the hell doesn’t know this?

People are outside in summer. Rich people go places. But poor people go outside. And in Chicago, guns go outside with them.

Calling it “gun violence” lets local politicians off the hook, because they want to shift the blame away from the lousy schools they’ve provided and taxes that cripple or drive away businesses so there are no jobs.

The proper name is “gang violence,” and the gangs kill people over drugs, money, over revenge, over nothing, over they just felt like it.

It was always going to be a bad summer. But something happened the other day on the West Side that makes me think that old archetype of a sergeant may be right this time.

Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.

What is learned here? The street is officially no longer afraid of the Chicago police.

If the cops had fired their weapons, news media would have been all over them, metaphorically skinning them alive. Politicians would have demanded their heads. Democratic presidential candidates, and the two campaigning for mayor, would have held repeated news conferences.

But this? Nothing.

I don’t see politicians convening blue ribbon panels of experts. I don’t see media bringing all the light they can bring to this. Tribune reporter William Lee crafted a compelling story, but one story isn’t enough.

The cops know they’re alone. That’s not a good prescription for what may come.

I’ve never heard of that before, of cops so intimidated during an arrest that they’d back off. And I wonder what message that sends, to cops, to the street, and what will come of it.

Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi, the department’s chief communications officer, sent me this statement:

“Multiple times each day, Chicago police officers encounter dangerous and potentially unstable situations in the name of creating a safer neighborhood for all Chicagoans. The department supports the officer’s measured response to a situation that could have deteriorated and put lives at risk. Our message to the offender — we know who you are, and you will be held accountable for your actions.”

It was a measured response. It could have deteriorated and put lives at risk. People could have died, including the cops, and innocents down the block, and even some of the mob that began shouting.

And then where would we be?

According to authorities, the two tactical officers were making the drug arrest on Sunday afternoon in the West 4700 block of Gladys Avenue in West Garfield Park.

Police who had viewed the body camera footage told me one officer dealt with the suspect and another stood a few feet away, watching a bystander who was making threats.

Then, someone reached into the squad car and took seized drugs. The officer standing a few feet away ran to chase the drug thief, and the mob began pressing and threatening the other officer with the suspect. A shot was fired a block away.

A police radio recording of the incident shared with me lays it out.

“Ten people surrounded me indicating they had firearms, then one person away from me … holding his waist … indicating he’d use the firearm against me.”

That’s difficult to put your mind around, that people on the street have lost their fear of the cops. And what comes next? Who can say? But others will push the envelope, and others will push back, and it ends badly.

I asked rank-and-file police to weigh in, on Facebook and Twitter; unfortunately, regulations prevent them from talking. That’s something the next mayor should address. Preventing people from discussing terrors on the job simply builds resentments.

“I don’t know what was going through that officer’s head, but I guess part of it was he didn’t want to shoot anyone, and wind up charged and in jail like (Jason) Van Dyke,” wrote an officer via email. “Like I said I wasn’t there so I can’t second guess him or read his mind.

“The criminals are emboldened to challenge the police because the politicians and media will not stand up for the police and are only too happy for any excuse to jump on the police to gain political support... Now there is no fear of going to jail.”

Did the officer do the right thing by letting the suspect go? Schools of thought vary. It’s easy to say this or that when you’re calm at a typewriter and there’s no sweat trickling down your back.

But what will happen is that the guys who hang on the corners of 4700 W. Gladys will see more cops, and soon.

Two of them talked to me, as others drove past, slow, to watch.

“Yeah, yeah, I know you,” said a pleasant man who called himself “John” on the corner on Thursday. The other guy looked at my ID, and said his name was “Kass.”

“It wasn’t no ‘mob.’ But this is the hood, man,” said John.

“This (stuff) happens in the hood.”

Not this (stuff), I said.

“It do now,” he said.

Great, the squid wants the public to fear the police. That's healthy.


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Sounds like they should cordon the area off, give them 24 hours to leave, and then raze the place going door to door.


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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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A healthy respect for those trying to get drugs out of a neighborhood might be a good thing.

Isn't that why you chose to live at 4700 N something, rather than 4700 W something in Chicago.? :lol:

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Wasn't society better when people had a fear of/respect for authority?

It kept the social cohesion strong.

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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Wasn't society better when people had a fear of/respect for authority?

It kept the social cohesion strong.

I consider fear and respect as two separate things.


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A healthy respect for those trying to get drugs out of a neighborhood might be a good thing.

Isn't that why you chose to live at 4700 N something, rather than 4700 W something in Chicago.? :lol:

Agree!

However, lamenting how the public no longer FEARS the police is shameful.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Wasn't society better when people had a fear of/respect for authority?

It kept the social cohesion strong.

I consider fear and respect as two separate things.


Sure.

The 2 are probably intertwined in the case of law enforcement though.

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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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Just another example of lazy coward cops .

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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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His lament that the blacks no longer fear police is telling.

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This was a typical John Kass column, where he steps right up to the line of making an explicit point, but then backs off.


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Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.



That's disturbing.

Nothing that truck drivers reguarly experience, though.


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Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.



That's disturbing.

Nothing that truck drivers reguarly experience, though.

It is disturbing.

But the truck driver meme continues to be moronic. You're trying to meme a fact. As of 2016 truck drivers were almost twice as likely to die on the job as police officers.

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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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Tad Queasy wrote:
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Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.



That's disturbing.

Nothing that truck drivers reguarly experience, though.

It is disturbing.

But the truck driver meme continues to be moronic. You're trying to meme a fact. As of 2016 truck drivers were almost twice as likely to die on the job as police officers.


I don't doubt for a second that their job is dangerous. When I was walking out of Jewel today I thanked the Hostess driver for risking his life every day. He offered to give me a free snowball, which was very generous, but I declined.


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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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Just another example of lazy coward cops .

You mis-understand the point of the thread.

The "mob" is in the wrong. There's no point in Douchebagging them.

The more interesting topic is how the author is bemoaning that the public no longer fears police. I would've liked him to delve deeper into why he views that as a positive.


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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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https://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/03/man- ... lp-of.html

Back in Police custody.

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https://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/03/man-who-escaped-from-cops-with-help-of.html

Back in Police custody.

All's well that ends well

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 Post subject: Re: John Kass
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When I was walking out of Jewel today I thanked the Hostess driver for risking his life every day. He offered to give me a free snowball, which was very generous, but I declined.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_A58231NFk


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Hussra wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
When I was walking out of Jewel today I thanked the Hostess driver for risking his life every day. He offered to give me a free snowball, which was very generous, but I declined.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_A58231NFk


:lol:

In a row?

Too bad the clip stopped before one of the best lines/reactions.


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Interested in hearing McDudes perspective on this as someone who has to deal with shitbags every day.

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Interested in hearing McDudes perspective on this as someone who has to deal with shitbags every day.

I don't think he logs in that frequently.

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Tad Queasy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
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Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.



That's disturbing.

Nothing that truck drivers reguarly experience, though.

It is disturbing.

But the truck driver meme continues to be moronic. You're trying to meme a fact. As of 2016 truck drivers were almost twice as likely to die on the job as police officers.


I don't doubt for a second that their job is dangerous. When I was walking out of Jewel today I thanked the Hostess driver for risking his life every day. He offered to give me a free snowball, which was very generous, but I declined.

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A healthy respect for those trying to get drugs out of a neighborhood might be a good thing.

Isn't that why you chose to live at 4700 N something, rather than 4700 W something in Chicago.? :lol:


I live at 4400 N something. You’re hitting awfully close to home here!

John Kass is my guy. Great follow on Twitter.

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They came for him and got him.

Chicago Tribune demotes columnist who blamed George Soros for violent protests
https://www.jpost.com/american-politics ... LzHypE1YKk

Incredible cowardice by Trib.
Kass wouldn't join their 'Guild' and writes from a conservative POV so the staff whined to The Man.

And, gotta protect Foxx The Incompetent

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Wasn't society better when people had a fear of/respect for authority?

It kept the social cohesion strong.

I consider fear and respect as two separate things.


Sure.

The 2 are probably intertwined in the case of law enforcement though.


Some time ago the fear factor wasn’t the police. It was your dad or uncle beating your ass picking you up from the precinct. Could also be fear of your tough mom or embarrassing her. That is the fear missing.

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Tad Queasy wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
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Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.



That's disturbing.

Nothing that truck drivers reguarly experience, though.

It is disturbing.

But the truck driver meme continues to be moronic. You're trying to meme a fact. As of 2016 truck drivers were almost twice as likely to die on the job as police officers.


No it’s is southwest siders making fun of Brick.

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pittmike wrote:
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Tad Queasy wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
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Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.



That's disturbing.

Nothing that truck drivers reguarly experience, though.

It is disturbing.

But the truck driver meme continues to be moronic. You're trying to meme a fact. As of 2016 truck drivers were almost twice as likely to die on the job as police officers.


No it’s is southwest siders making fun of Brick.

No, its people saying I dont care what the numbers say, being a cop is more dangerous.


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