To say the window is closing based on these moves is stupid. The window is Hicks and Mack’s prime and Mitch’s development. It’s not that the nickle corner has been slightly downgraded (from an often injured player).

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It's about as big of a downgrade as is possible in one year. Skrine is awful.

I think you were close but the window is Mitch's development and not a lot of other factors are going to affect it. If Mitch doesn't improve they aren't contending with this team.

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Agree, but Pace/Nagy cornered themselves.

Not to go all Hub here, but what no one is talking about is RB depth. If Cohen or Davis is injured during OTAs, camp or during the season....then what? Very weird to not want a former Pro-Bowler on a cheap contract as a safeguard.

If anyone knows about closing windows, it would be a Packers fan.

As big a downgrade as possible! I would wait to see how he's used, and who they get in the draft before declaring that the window is closed because of these moves is crazy.

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Correct. We've been first hand witnesses to the close of the McCarthy window the last two years. Give us a new appreciation for the next 5 year window left with Rodgers and LeFleur.

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Pace just needs to grab another pro bowl RB in the 5th round. If I was him I can see being confident in my abilities to do that again.

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Parkins doesn't think losing Howard means anything, and it will be unbelievably easy to replace him.

Trying to see this from the Bears/Nagy/Pace pov: Was Howard such an ill fit that he had to alter game plans?


Mike Davis averaged 4.8 ypc last year and is 3.7 for his career and caught 34 passes last year (Howard caught 20)


Howard's numbers have also been trending down since his rookie year pretty much across the board in a similar number of carries (16.8, 17.3, 15.6)


I dont know. I think maybe Howard is done.

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Packers fans should not be laughing. RPB is simply posting some good old fashioned unbiased objective analysis.

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I'm a fairly large consumer of the NFL product but I couldn't have told you the qualities of Buster Skrine before the Bears signed him. It's ok for you to admit the same.

Nagy thought he was pretty good well before the Bears ever considered signing him.

He is a downgrade from a healthy Callahan. A healthy Callahan is a rarity and then you get Mc Mannis. Skrine is an upgrade from Mc Mannis

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To say their window is closing based on those offseason moves is stupid.

The Bears window will open and close based on Mitch and Nagy.

I don't really care for giving up Howard for a 6th maybe 5th round pick...but that move has nothing to do with any windows

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He was a Pro Bowl caliber RB the season before this past one and he’s 24 years old. Yes, fans of all types of teams can laugh at the suggestion he is done simply because his last coach didn’t know how to use him.

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I’m also a fairly large consumer of the NFL product which is why it didn’t take a lot of research and analysis of the available data to come to the only reasonable conclusion one can - Skrine is an objectively bad football player by NFL CB standards.

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We will see week 1

Can’t wait.

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A lot of rending of garments and gnashing of teeth about losing a middling running back.

To quote the dearly departed, "Jordan Howard breaks the first tackle," said no one ever. He's 'a guy'. At no point last season did anyone without brain damage think or say, "thank the maker we have Jordan Howard rather than any other RB in the league."

It's just not a big deal - and that's fabulous news. His strength was carrying, not catching. Nagy's not real keen on just pounding the ball all the time. However, even if Nagy did want to run it up the middle a lot, what the hell did Jordan do when he hit the line other then fall over like a three-legged cat trying to bury shit on a frozen pond?

Never mind that it's March 29th, not July 29th. Who knows what will happen between now and then? Almost certainly nothing earth-shattering, but there was nothing earth-shattering going to happen whether Howard was here or not.

You didn't lose an engine. You didn't lose a radiator. You lost a fairly pedestrian mudflap ... a mudflap with some hard mileage on it at that. A mudflap that costs $2mil to keep on the car and not do very will because it doesn't quite fit properly. So you get rid of it, and take a chance you'll soon find one that looks like it'll fit much better, and it'll cost you maybe a half-mil or so. Sounds like a decent, if not good, deal to me.

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Jordan Howard never breaks the first tackle? Don, you’re far too good of a sports poster to post something as nonsensical as that my friend.

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A mudflap?!?!

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Well, technically, I didn't. It's a quote. I'm very obviously not trying to push it as absolute truth, dingus ... the point, though, is he's a lot closer to terrible at breaking tackles - including the first one - than he is to being good, never mind great.

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Meh.. bad trade but the Bear shot themselves in the foot by making it no secret that the dude was unwanted, therefore devaluing him in the 1st place. So the options were.. head into 1 last season with him and lose him for nothing at seasons end or trade now and get at least something in return. I guess all things considered they did what they had to, but that doesn’t change the fact that you got taken for a ride value wise straight up.


Pace has had 1 good season as Bears GM so far is how I see it, and that was last season. It can easily be argued that while he hasn’t lost anything crucial this off season, he really hasn’t made any moves that improve the team either. And he doesn’t have much of a draft to work with this year to move that needle much.


Btw, how in the fuck do you not at least get a pick for this upcoming draft lol?

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I mean... I don’t know man. That opinion simply doesn’t align with reality. Not sure what else to say.

If you don’t like him fine, but to act like literally his biggest strength is non existent is bizarre. He’s a phenomenal short yardage RB and I don’t think he forgot how to play football last year after two great initial seasons. Nagy is a really good coach so I’m not saying it’s a big black mark on him for being unable or unwilling to use Howard how he should but to somehow pin that on Howard is simply ignorant imo.

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Like you said, everybody knew the Bears were trying to move him thought, btw, the Bears didn't do anything to spill the beans, any schmuck watching the games - let alone other professional football franchises - could very easily see he just didn't belong here and the only logical move for the Bears to dump him for whatever they could lay their hands on.

So the answer to your question is, quite clearly, nobody in the NFL offered anything better ... duh.

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Nagy is an offensive mind.. so Nagy liking him doesn’t mean much to me. If Pagano was all about him, that may be different. But the guy who literally only coaches 1 half of the team that Skrine won’t be playing for liking him?


Doesn’t say much tbh

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6th in rushing attempts
14th in rushing yards
22nd in rushing yards per game
39th in rushing yards per attempt

I'm fine with taking our chances with the unknown.

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I was being a bit rhetorical there Don. Calm down.

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I saw a tweet by someone today that said that a lot of people were upset when the Bears didn't bring back Cam Meredith too and that the Howard deal would kind of go like that....

I think there could be some truth to that. Pace knew what he was doing there.....and at this point I am willing to give Pace/Nagy the benefit of the doubt.

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Well, right, because Nagy was unable or unwilling to use him how he should be used, like I just said. John Fox wasn’t a better coach than Walt Williams Neck would be by his last year and still got top 10 RB production out him despite 8 man boxes and horrible QB play so I find your argument severely insufficient.

We’ll see how he plays and in what role he’s utilized next year.

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I think it’s telling that the guy that Nagy last worked under traded for Howard. I’m interested to see how this plays out next year as I’m sure a lot of people are. I liked what I saw from Josh Adams on Philly last year and he’s the exact same type of player as Howard so I think it’s clear Pederson wanted Howard at that minimal cost.

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