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Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.

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Probably was abused as a child, and a steroid user. The audio shows a low IQ, angry, inarticulate child abuser. These two should be fixed to never be able to reproduce again.


Mentioning these types of possibilities or the same about the women involved is just another reason why we have no business in this. Trained professionals do. Not us, JDC, Mully or anyone else really.

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People when players kneel for the National Anthem: these players are employed by the NFL. They should do as their employer says.

Same people: the NFL should not be in the business of policing players personal lives.

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People when players kneel for the National Anthem: these players are employed by the NFL. They should do as their employer says.

Same people: the NFL should not be in the business of policing players personal lives.


Which people are you referring to?

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People when players kneel for the National Anthem: these players are employed by the NFL. They should do as their employer says.

Same people: the NFL should not be in the business of policing players personal lives.


Which people are you referring to?


The people in my imageless meme.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.


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Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Great job countering it. Unemployed and hanging around them more if best for all parties right?

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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KDdidit wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.

The best way to help this child and the mother would be to give Tyreke Hill even more money because of what he did.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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KDdidit wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.


Let me guess. You also think that mass incarceration is a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.

The best way to help this child and the mother would be to give Tyreke Hill even more money because of what he did.


He is brave.


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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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People when players kneel for the National Anthem: these players are employed by the NFL. They should do as their employer says.

Same people: the NFL should not be in the business of policing players personal lives.


Is how you behave at the office your personal life? Solid reasoning there.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Great job countering it. Unemployed and hanging around them more if best for all parties right?


I don't think I need to at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Great job countering it. Unemployed and hanging around them more if best for all parties right?


I don't think I need to at this point.


You have no argument then other than swarm as reasoning because my response is not "this is very bad and he needs to be punished". The problems in his household probably don't get better if we cut bait and eliminate his livelihood.

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.

The best way to help this child and the mother would be to give Tyreke Hill even more money because of what he did.

:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Sign Tyreke Hill
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.


Let me guess. You also think that mass incarceration is a problem.


Let me guess. You also think that mass racism isn't a problem.

Let me guess. You also think that non sequiturs aren't a problem.


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It's not as though he has to return the money he's already earned, and it's not as though he's going to be incapable of earning money in the future. If he continues to be a threat to his girlfriend and child then the law is going to get involved.

To take the position that he should face zero consequences because he might harm his child and girlfriend now that he can't play football is asinine.

If playing football is the only thing that decreases the likelihood of him abusing his family he should be in jail, not on a football field.

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The legal system is where he receives punishment for what he did. Not allowing the guy to make a living does not help the situation and is not the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment. It just makes the situation worse. WfR's statement is spot-on despite whatever you hyenas are getting on about.

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It's not as though he has to return the money he's already earned, and it's not as though he's going to be incapable of earning money in the future. If he continues to be a threat to his girlfriend and child then the law is going to get involved.

To take the position that he should face zero consequences because he might harm his child and girlfriend now that he can't play football is asinine.

If playing football is the only thing that decreases the likelihood of him abusing his family he should be in jail, not on a football field.


You're completely misconstruing what he said.

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People when players kneel for the National Anthem: these players are employed by the NFL. They should do as their employer says.

Same people: the NFL should not be in the business of policing players personal lives.


This is an awful analogy.

Love you, though.

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He said he's now poor and has a reason to hold a grudge...well grunge, but you get the idea.

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It's not as though he has to return the money he's already earned, and it's not as though he's going to be incapable of earning money in the future. If he continues to be a threat to his girlfriend and child then the law is going to get involved.

To take the position that he should face zero consequences because he might harm his child and girlfriend now that he can't play football is asinine.

If playing football is the only thing that decreases the likelihood of him abusing his family he should be in jail, not on a football field.


I never said he should face zero consequences. I don't think there is an ideal situation. I would say best case is that he would be put into some sort of treatment and counseling. His football salary would be put into a trust for his son. And you could use playing football as a carrot to make him improve his life and his behavior.

Sending him to prison just makes him another statistic, and he's not going to stay there forever. Do you think the American penal system is the place to learn to become a better husband and father?

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Not allowing the guy to make a living does not help the situation and is not the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment.

Well that's nonsense. The Chiefs can and should cut him solely because of that video clip plus the child's injuries plus his history. In what world is that "not the forum" to do that?

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KDdidit wrote:
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KDdidit wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Part of the problem with cutting him is: do you think that will make the lives of his baby mama and kid better? He's now poor with zero job skills and a reason to hold a grunge.


This is solid reasoning right here.


Also men should never go to jail if they're married because women can't support themselves.


Let me guess. You also think that mass incarceration is a problem.


Let me guess. You also think that mass racism isn't a problem.

Let me guess. You also think that non sequiturs aren't a problem.


What the fuck is "mass racism"? This is not a non sequitur in the least. This is an example of why mass incarceration occurs.

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He said he's now poor and has a reason to hold a grudge.


Is that not true? I think his overall point is that not allowing him to play football doesn't help the situation and in fact probably hurts it. That's why we have a legal system to address such matters. If we are truly looking to help the mother and child resolve a dangerous situation, not allowing the guy to earn a living is probably not the right idea. If a factory worker beats his wife and kids, should we eliminate his ability to make income by firing him or should we allow the justice system to take care of that and bot bring his personal matters into his work life?

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Not allowing the guy to make a living does not help the situation and is not the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment.

Well that's nonsense. The Chiefs can and should cut him solely because of that video clip plus the child's injuries plus his history. In what world is that "not the forum" to do that?


You tell me why it is the forum to do that.

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Not allowing the guy to make a living does not help the situation and is not the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment.

Well that's nonsense. The Chiefs can and should cut him solely because of that video clip plus the child's injuries plus his history. In what world is that "not the forum" to do that?


You tell me why it is the forum to do that.

Um.. because the Chiefs have a right to do that and it would probably be a bad look to keep him on the team after that? Why is this even a debate? :lol:

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He said he's now poor and has a reason to hold a grudge...well grunge, but you get the idea.


Got me!

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What the fuck is "mass racism"? This is not a non sequitur in the least. This is an example of why mass incarceration occurs.

What the fuck does "mass" anything mean? Tyreek Hill probably getting cut by the Chiefs is an example of why mass incarceration occurs?


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Not allowing the guy to make a living does not help the situation and is not the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment.

Well that's nonsense. The Chiefs can and should cut him solely because of that video clip plus the child's injuries plus his history. In what world is that "not the forum" to do that?


You tell me why it is the forum to do that.

Um.. because the Chiefs have a right to do that and it would probably be a bad look to keep him on the team after that? Why is this even a debate? :lol:


So your concern is the PR for the Chiefs? That makes sense and I won't disagree with you there. I had just taken it to mean that you thought they should do so for some moral or societal reason or to help the wife and kid.

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The legal system is where he receives punishment for what he did. Not allowing the guy to make a living does not help the situation and is not the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment. It just makes the situation worse. WfR's statement is spot-on despite whatever you hyenas are getting on about.

Why do you think that committing crimes can't cause you to lose your job?

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