My concern is more PR for the league in general. I'm not naive enough to think every one in the league is a good guy, but when there's clear direct evidence of someone being this much of a piece of shit, I think every team in the league should agree not to sign him.

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Quit being intensionally daft. Putting people in prison as the solution to all problems. This guy was clearly raised to believe that hitting a kid is the way to discipline. I would rather let him continue to work, and to put him into some sort of program rather than say he's damaged goods into prison he goes.

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I think you absolutely should if for instance you drive a very dangerous truck for a job and are a habitual DUI offender. If that same person never drove anywhere and was a telemarketer out of his basement would it be necessary?

Leaving football out of it the system really should be go through legal paces and if necessary face punishment. If after all that some private firm wants to hire you then fine. Any form not wanting to due to PR or something is also fine.

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Ever?

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I disagree, as I don't think anyone should be separated from their ability to earn an income because of things they do outside of work.

However, from a practical perspective, the NFL is going to do so for PR. I don't for one second think that the NFL cares about any of these things beyond just the PR, but they're gonna do what they have to do to protect themselves.

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Nobody is separating him from his ability to earn an income. In my scenario they are separating him from his ability to earn one playing in the NFL. That is a substantially different thing.

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I didn't say it couldn't cause you to lose your job.

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Leash you got rid of my bigoted quote in your sig. I feel insulted.

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It's not, though. Tyreek Hill was born to play football and probably spent his entire life acquiring this skill at the detriment of other skills. Now we're telling him he can't use that skill.

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CH's is better.

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Guys, I started this thread for football discussion about Hill, take your DiCaro chatter elsewhere.

The logic is strange. On one hand we as fans seem to cheer on and encourage athletes to get all the money they can for a lifetime. There being some weird logic that they will never be able to earn income the rest of their life.

Then if one gets in trouble rather than rehabilitate they want the player out of the league entirely. Presuming that somehow he can make income for the rest of his life.

That is unless you are a Cub because then you just take some time off then next week you get your starting SS position back.

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If it isn't the forum to levy some sort of punitive punishment then how are you not saying it shouldn't cause you to lose your job?

NFL players, by virtue of the way the generates money, are expected not to break the arms of their kids as punishment, and the NFL/team can and will take action based on violating that. That is why it is nonsense to act like the NFL should ignore it because the legal system is the only place that punishment should exist. If you choose to be a public figure then you can and will be held accountable by the company that pays you.

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Ok, Julie

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So he can't play football, but he can do what? Is he going to be hired to work some white collar job with a criminal record? What's he qualified to do?

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Did I miss someone here saying Hill should go to prison or are you "People on twitter are saying" me?

Right, because when you break your kid's arm and threaten your fiancee and it's recorded, you lose a lot of privileges you previously had. That's just how life works. I still don't quite understand what you and WFR are arguing.

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Yes. And the precedent is already set many times over. Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson and Mike Vick did thing considered reprehensible. They in one way or another were adjudicated, paid their debt. Rice was deemed either too toxic or too old to be signed. The other two played.

Is it that far fetched then to desire that the NFL is not judge, jury and punisher but that the courts are?

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With the strong discipline he is getting I would be interested in drafting his kid in 17 or so years.

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Tyreek Hill, unless he is phenomenally bad at managing his money, is not poor. And while it's true that he might hold a grudge, that isn't a compelling reason to keep him employed. Framing the argument that way also takes away any agency the woman and child have in this situation, which is really my larger issue with this argument.

The league has "helped" domestic abusers in the past by requiring them to go through anger management or some other form of counseling before they are allowed to play again.

The league is different than a factory because it is far less tolerant to having its brand damaged.

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That's the decision of the company that pays you. If the NFL doesn't want to employ him, then by all means, don't. But it is their decision alone, and it almost certainly does not help society. If you were really concerned about society or the kid, you would want the NFL to use its massive resources to help rehabilitate him. And you're crazy if you think the NFL cuts him due to some sense of morality. It's all about money.

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It is for the reasons I already explained.

It's far more far fetched to basically say "Are you in jail? Well, if you aren't, then you are eligible to play on Sundays. If you are, then see if you can get out before Sunday.".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Read the thread. Spiral suggested it earlier. Most of your arguing here seems to be entirely off topic.

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Yeah, so you now seem to agree the NFL/team is right to do what they are doing.

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That's why we have a legal system. Working isn't a "right." If it were a right, this would be a much different conversation. Employers can fire employees for any reason they want.

The NFL is a private company that can do whatever it wants, but there is no moral imperative for them to do so. If you think that the solution to Tyreek Hill being a bad guy is just to disallow him from work, then you're really not getting at a solution. It likely makes the situation worse, as WfR stated and was mocked for. That's my point.

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I do not. I'm just saying they have the right to do so. However, it does not help the situation in any way. That's what WfR said and was somehow mocked for.

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I disagree. Making the situation worse would be the NFL ignoring it and pretending that he's a fine citizen and everything is good with them.

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Agreed. But in the most egregious instances wouldn't the teams that signed the worst offenders pay the price? Human nature has to be better than that. Apparently people didn't care AP was on a team or two. I clearly recall protests and blow back over Vick.

I would never sign him or Hunt myself. But if the Panthers did after some symbolic suspension they would have to calculate if it was a good idea.

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Okay, but you also just seem to be arguing on behalf of NFL public relations. I'm fine with that, but that's the reality. All firing Hill does is make one more child beater unemployed and allow the NFL to act like it cares about the character of its players... which they absolutely have the right to do.

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Why couldn't they use their tremendous resources to help him while keeping him employed? Wouldn't that be the best scenario for all involved?

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