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I'm not sure how you could not find early 80s steve and garry not funny. maybe you had to be 13.

They were still funny up to the day they broke up.

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I put an extra not in there. point is, they were funny.

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funny is a matter of taste but they are certainly regarded as one of the top hosts of all time in their industry

It's really painful to see where Dahl is now, even though he is not that old. It seems to me that dj careers are in their twilight after 50. Think of all that talent that was at the Loop. Kevin Matthews was as good as anyone in the industry and he was working 6-10 shift in that lineup. All of those guys were sub 50 at the time. All now are lame.

Stern and Dahl have been limping around for a decade resting on their laurels

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well I think the lesson here is fairly clear: stop drinking and your career goes down the drain.

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This is why I'm glad Dan McNeil is back at the station.

If this was still B&G or if Bernstein was still the face of the station, they would've been picking up this dipshit Vice writer's torch and been carrying it for him.

https://670thescore.radio.com/media/aud ... ted-hour-3

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I remember distinctly when Dahl was on WCKG after Stern, I tried to give him a try several times. It was boring as fuck, tons of dead air, there were 6-9 second lapses with no sound.

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Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.

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Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


But that's the thing of it. In our community Travolta and the Bee Gees were welcome additons, just like KC & The Sunshine Band. Back then, David Bowie and Elton John were also welcomed guests on Soul Train, which every Black family had on religiously each Saturday. Disco had been celebratory for years, before it was even called disco. It's was inclusive and fun. And it didn't rely on what many of you all thought was it's face, or btw, wrongly perceived main contributors in our community. (They weren't by a long shot around the way)

Dahl was perceived by many of us as an angry, bitter little guy upset not only because "soft rock" and other music pushed his stuff off the shelves & radio, but a marginalized guy from a hostile group looking to take out his infantile frustration on a group with which he couldn't identify with and could only scapegoat to get his jollies. :wink:

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Regular Reader wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


But that's the thing of it. In our community Travolta and the Bee Gees were welcome additons, just like KC & The Sunshine Band. Back then, David Bowie and Elton John were also welcomed guests on Soul Train, which every Black family had on religiously each Saturday. Disco had been celebratory for years, before it was even called disco. It's was inclusive and fun. And it didn't rely on what many of you all thought was it's face, or btw, wrongly perceived main contributors in our community. (They weren't by a long shot around the way)

Dahl was perceived by many of us as an angry, bitter little guy upset not only because "soft rock" and other music pushed his stuff off the shelves & radio, but a marginalized guy from a hostile group looking to take out his infantile frustration on a group with which he couldn't identify with and could only scapegoat to get his jollies. :wink:


Mike North ended his show with Don't Leave Me This Way, so he was one of the good ones

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a marginalized guy from a hostile group looking to take out his infantile frustration on a group with which he couldn't identify with and could only scapegoat to get his jollies. :wink:


isn't this pretty much every comedian? the funny ones at least.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


But that's the thing of it. In our community Travolta and the Bee Gees were welcome additons, just like KC & The Sunshine Band. Back then, David Bowie and Elton John were also welcomed guests on Soul Train, which every Black family had on religiously each Saturday. Disco had been celebratory for years, before it was even called disco. It's was inclusive and fun. And it didn't rely on what many of you all thought was it's face, or btw, wrongly perceived main contributors in our community. (They weren't by a long shot around the way)

Dahl was perceived by many of us as an angry, bitter little guy upset not only because "soft rock" and other music pushed his stuff off the shelves & radio, but a marginalized guy from a hostile group looking to take out his infantile frustration on a group with which he couldn't identify with and could only scapegoat to get his jollies. :wink:


That perception is wrong though. Dahl was bitter and upset not because any music pushed anything off the shelves, but rather because a change in format pushed him off the air.

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a marginalized guy from a hostile group looking to take out his infantile frustration on a group with which he couldn't identify with and could only scapegoat to get his jollies. :wink:


isn't this pretty much every comedian? the funny ones at least.


The key word being funny. Bitter and angry aren't synonymous. :)

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


But that's the thing of it. In our community Travolta and the Bee Gees were welcome additons, just like KC & The Sunshine Band. Back then, David Bowie and Elton John were also welcomed guests on Soul Train, which every Black family had on religiously each Saturday. Disco had been celebratory for years, before it was even called disco. It's was inclusive and fun. And it didn't rely on what many of you all thought was it's face, or btw, wrongly perceived main contributors in our community. (They weren't by a long shot around the way)

Dahl was perceived by many of us as an angry, bitter little guy upset not only because "soft rock" and other music pushed his stuff off the shelves & radio, but a marginalized guy from a hostile group looking to take out his infantile frustration on a group with which he couldn't identify with and could only scapegoat to get his jollies. :wink:


That perception is wrong though. Dahl was bitter and upset not because any music pushed anything off the shelves, but rather because a change in format pushed him off the air.


I said it was pushing him and his music off the air.

But it's funny that as angry as punk was perceived by many to be, there was more room for everyone there, than with bitter guys like Dahl.

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This is why I'm glad Dan McNeil is back at the station.

If this was still B&G or if Bernstein was still the face of the station, they would've been picking up this dipshit Vice writer's torch and been carrying it for him.

https://670thescore.radio.com/media/aud ... ted-hour-3


the "writer" backpedaling illustrates the keyboard-warrior mentality that modern bloggers have. they are absolutely merciless in their words; then get them on the air, confront them in a professional way, and he sounds like a bad caller that should've been hung up on.


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I said it was pushing him and his music off the air.


But it didn't really push any music off the air. I just changed the station.

My point was that his beef with disco was because that was the format WDAI changed to that cost him his job. And this happened not long after he came to Chicago from Detroit. I'd say he had good reason to be bitter. Anyway, if they had switched the format to WDAI Hillbilly 94.7, I suspect he may have been blowing up George Jones and Merle Haggard records.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I said it was pushing him and his music off the air.


But it didn't really push any music off the air. I just changed the station.

My point was that his beef with disco was because that was the format WDAI changed to that cost him his job. And this happened not long after he came to Chicago from Detroit. I'd say he had good reason to be bitter. Anyway, if they had switched the format to WDAI Hillbilly 94.7, I suspect he may have been blowing up George Jones and Merle Haggard records.


I loved WDAI.

But I doubt he'd have had the same zeal (or support) for blowing up country records or sharing his thoughts on that music and it's fans.

Either way, Piersall was right imo.

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There was always room for everyone in rock.

Look at the top disco performers and most of them both had a beginning in rock and a return to it after the fad. Look at the top rock performers of the era and most of them delved into disco. It doesn't seem like the genres were easily differentiated. I found it utterly confusing as a single digit aged kid. The only difference seemed to me that disco people sang into long white mircophones and the lyrics were never drowned out by the music.

Isn't disco just soft rock? If we were looking at the music family tree, wouldn't disco be branched from rock, if it had an independent branch from it at all.

Here is a point the DD critics seem to be forgetting, all of those otherwise disenfranchised groups they are retroactively trying to defend were entirely franchised into rock and certainly so by 1980.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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I said it was pushing him and his music off the air.


But it didn't really push any music off the air. I just changed the station.

My point was that his beef with disco was because that was the format WDAI changed to that cost him his job. And this happened not long after he came to Chicago from Detroit. I'd say he had good reason to be bitter. Anyway, if they had switched the format to WDAI Hillbilly 94.7, I suspect he may have been blowing up George Jones and Merle Haggard records.


I loved WDAI.

But I doubt he'd have had the same zeal (or support) for blowing up country records or sharing his thoughts on that music and it's fans.

Either way, Piersall was right imo.

Oh I’m willing to bet he would’ve.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


The Bee Gees certainly represented a break--both in their musical aesthetic and self-presentation--from the classic rock era of the late '70s. They were effeminate performers with a feminine sound--and they seemingly didn't conform to the heteronormative standards of the day. But the Village People were obviously much more important in this regard. They were crucial in defining disco milieu, which sometimes seemed to perfectly overlap with the urban gay culture of the day.

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I was too young to ever have listened to Dahl prior to DD so I'm glad we have our elders to tell us about the old times.

I'd guess I first started listening in about 83.

Yes 83!

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good dolphin wrote:
Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


The Bee Gees certainly represented a break--both in their musical aesthetic and self-presentation--from the classic rock era of the late '70s. They were effeminate performers with a feminine sound--and they seemingly didn't conform to the heteronormative standards of the day. But the Village People were obviously much more important in this regard. They were crucial in defining disco milieu, which sometimes seemed to perfectly overlap with the urban gay culture of the day.


Is there a rural gay culture?

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There was always room for everyone in rock.

Look at the top disco performers and most of them both had a beginning in rock and a return to it after the fad. Look at the top rock performers of the era and most of them delved into disco. It doesn't seem like the genres were easily differentiated. I found it utterly confusing as a single digit aged kid. The only difference seemed to me that disco people sang into long white mircophones and the lyrics were never drowned out by the music.

Isn't disco just soft rock? If we were looking at the music family tree, wouldn't disco be branched from rock, if it had an independent branch from it at all.

Here is a point the DD critics seem to be forgetting, all of those otherwise disenfranchised groups they are retroactively trying to defend were entirely franchised into rock and certainly so by 1980.


What you're failing to appreciate is that what you refer to as disco, for us was rooted in Soul, Philly Soul amd as alluded to above, Funk music that stretched back to the sixties and before. Black artists of that genre had little to do with rock music acceptable to a guy like Dahl. Before or after disco left the main stream and cheesy tv shows.

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Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.

It had, for the most part, come and gone by the time I was conscious of music. As I said earlier, Disco to me is cheesy white guy stuff.

The writer tried to hot take by comparing the anti disco movement to if someone started an anti rap movement. I think it is much more comparable to early 90s grunge as a response to late 80s hair bands.


The face of disco at the time were The Bee Gees (and Travolta), who were neither black, Latin, or gay (though the falsetto voices probably made people think they were). They were also hugely successful, not marginalized.


The Bee Gees certainly represented a break--both in their musical aesthetic and self-presentation--from the classic rock era of the late '70s. They were effeminate performers with a feminine sound--and they seemingly didn't conform to the heteronormative standards of the day. But the Village People were obviously much more important in this regard. They were crucial in defining disco milieu, which sometimes seemed to perfectly overlap with the urban gay culture of the day.


Is there a rural gay culture?


I always figured that was represented by the mythical cow tipping stories.

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pretty sure Dahl/Sox fans just hated disco and wanted to participate in a nutty event. Don't think they were concerned with the non heteronormative affectations of Barry Gibb.

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There was always room for everyone in rock.

Look at the top disco performers and most of them both had a beginning in rock and a return to it after the fad. Look at the top rock performers of the era and most of them delved into disco. It doesn't seem like the genres were easily differentiated. I found it utterly confusing as a single digit aged kid. The only difference seemed to me that disco people sang into long white mircophones and the lyrics were never drowned out by the music.

Isn't disco just soft rock? If we were looking at the music family tree, wouldn't disco be branched from rock, if it had an independent branch from it at all.

Here is a point the DD critics seem to be forgetting, all of those otherwise disenfranchised groups they are retroactively trying to defend were entirely franchised into rock and certainly so by 1980.


What you're failing to appreciate is that what you refer to as disco, for us was rooted in Soul, Philly Soul amd as alluded to above, Funk music that stretched back to the sixties and before. Black artists of that genre had little to do with rock music acceptable to a guy like Dahl. Before or after disco left the main stream and cheesy tv shows.


My guess is that funk looked at disco the same way rock did.

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I was a big Steve and Garry fan back in the day, too. But let's not pretend they weren't trafficking in racial stereotypes. Everybody was, black and white. It was a different time. To look at it through the prism of 2019 doesn't make sense.

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There was always room for everyone in rock.

Look at the top disco performers and most of them both had a beginning in rock and a return to it after the fad. Look at the top rock performers of the era and most of them delved into disco. It doesn't seem like the genres were easily differentiated. I found it utterly confusing as a single digit aged kid. The only difference seemed to me that disco people sang into long white mircophones and the lyrics were never drowned out by the music.

Isn't disco just soft rock? If we were looking at the music family tree, wouldn't disco be branched from rock, if it had an independent branch from it at all.

Here is a point the DD critics seem to be forgetting, all of those otherwise disenfranchised groups they are retroactively trying to defend were entirely franchised into rock and certainly so by 1980.


What you're failing to appreciate is that what you refer to as disco, for us was rooted in Soul, Philly Soul amd as alluded to above, Funk music that stretched back to the sixties and before. Black artists of that genre had little to do with rock music acceptable to a guy like Dahl. Before or after disco left the main stream and cheesy tv shows.


My guess is that funk looked at disco the same way rock did.


Nope. George Clinton and Bootsy Collins loved to party. Plus in part it all drew on one commonality, James Brown and the JBs.

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pretty sure Dahl/Sox fans just hated disco and wanted to participate in a nutty event. Don't think they were concerned with the non heteronormative affectations of Barry Gibb.


In an interesting twist, a disco icon like Travolta was held out as hyper hetero while being closeted gay while the Gibbs were considered gay while actually being hyper hetero.

While interesting, I just think this is all a big nothing.

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I was a big Steve and Garry fan back in the day, too. But let's not pretend they weren't trafficking in racial stereotypes. Everybody was, black and white. It was a different time. To look at it through the prism of 2019 doesn't make sense.


True, and thankfully that stuff is largely passed by with music over the last thirty years.

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pretty sure Dahl/Sox fans just hated disco and wanted to participate in a nutty event. Don't think they were concerned with the non heteronormative affectations of Barry Gibb.


In an interesting twist, a disco icon like Travolta was held out as hyper hetero while being closeted gay while the Gibbs were considered gay while actually being hyper hetero.

While interesting, I just think this is all a big nothing.


I hadn't thought about that, and yeah it's hilarious.

But this is a nice diversion from the politics section today.

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