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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:21 pm 
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Really? Rodgers mailed it in and had his coach fired midseason right after he signed a mega contract.

He cares about a different kind of winning.

Last year is pretty much the opposite of mailing it in. Nice try though.

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Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:28 pm 
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Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

Where are you getting the stuff about the locker room? I follow the team pretty closely and outside of ex teammates Finley and Jennings there's no talk of locker room tension. And both those players have an obvious ax to grind.

Nobody here knows what happened with him and his family so I think it's unreasonable to speculate that it's on him, especially when there have been reports that his family tried to extort money out of him once he reached the NFL.

I don't think you have much of a case here, counselor.

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Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

he is a crazy person. for sure. all the great ones are.


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FavreFan wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:

Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

Where are you getting the stuff about the locker room? I follow the team pretty closely and outside of ex teammates Finley and Jennings there's no talk of locker room tension. And both those players have an obvious ax to grind.

Nobody here knows what happened with him and his family so I think it's unreasonable to speculate that it's on him, especially when there have been reports that his family tried to extort money out of him once he reached the NFL.

I don't think you have much of a case here, counselor.


Rodgers was deliberately undermining the coach, freezing out players who didn't adhere to his commands, and has an organization-wide reputation as an oversensitive narcissist. That's not toxic?

Additionally, it's not just his family that he jettisoned from his life like so much garbage. Rodgers did the same thing to several long-time close friends who never received an explanation for his abrupt change in behavior.

Sounds like a bad guy to me.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:

Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

Where are you getting the stuff about the locker room? I follow the team pretty closely and outside of ex teammates Finley and Jennings there's no talk of locker room tension. And both those players have an obvious ax to grind.

Nobody here knows what happened with him and his family so I think it's unreasonable to speculate that it's on him, especially when there have been reports that his family tried to extort money out of him once he reached the NFL.

I don't think you have much of a case here, counselor.


Rodgers was deliberately undermining the coach, freezing out players who didn't adhere to his commands, and has an organization-wide reputation as an oversensitive narcissist. That's not toxic?

Additionally, it's not just his family that he jettisoned from his life like so much garbage. Rodgers did the same thing to several long-time close friends who never received an explanation for his abrupt change in behavior.

Sounds like a bad guy to me.

Since two of the three of those things aren't true, I'd say no it's not toxic.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:

Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

Where are you getting the stuff about the locker room? I follow the team pretty closely and outside of ex teammates Finley and Jennings there's no talk of locker room tension. And both those players have an obvious ax to grind.

Nobody here knows what happened with him and his family so I think it's unreasonable to speculate that it's on him, especially when there have been reports that his family tried to extort money out of him once he reached the NFL.

I don't think you have much of a case here, counselor.


Rodgers was deliberately undermining the coach, freezing out players who didn't adhere to his commands, and has an organization-wide reputation as an oversensitive narcissist. That's not toxic?

Additionally, it's not just his family that he jettisoned from his life like so much garbage. Rodgers did the same thing to several long-time close friends who never received an explanation for his abrupt change in behavior.

Sounds like a bad guy to me.

Since two of the three of those things aren't true, I'd say no it's not toxic.


Which two? Sources?

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The second two, and I do not know how to prove a negative so I can't help you on the sources.

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The second two, and I do not know how to prove a negative so I can't help you on the sources.


What makes you think they're false accusations?

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The second two, and I do not know how to prove a negative so I can't help you on the sources.


What makes you think they're false accusations?

Because there's nothing to indicate anonymous rumors are credible.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:

Rodgers has gradually transmogrified into a more talented version of Jay Cutler.

That's a bizarre conclusion. Rodgers has a massive ego but he clearly cares a lot about winning. Cutler would have been fine with McCarthy coaching his whole career as long as GB kept cutting them checks.


I don't agree with your characterization of Cutler, but that's beside the point.

Of course Rodgers cares about winning. And of course he's a transcendent talent. But he's also toxic. He destroyed his relationship with his family. And he seems to have done something similar in the locker room. These observations aren't meant to invalidate his criticism of his coaches--but taken together, they certainly raise questions about his ability to express criticism constructively or function in a hierarchical environment where he occupies a secondary position.

Where are you getting the stuff about the locker room? I follow the team pretty closely and outside of ex teammates Finley and Jennings there's no talk of locker room tension. And both those players have an obvious ax to grind.

Nobody here knows what happened with him and his family so I think it's unreasonable to speculate that it's on him, especially when there have been reports that his family tried to extort money out of him once he reached the NFL.

I don't think you have much of a case here, counselor.


Rodgers was deliberately undermining the coach, freezing out players who didn't adhere to his commands, and has an organization-wide reputation as an oversensitive narcissist. That's not toxic?

Additionally, it's not just his family that he jettisoned from his life like so much garbage. Rodgers did the same thing to several long-time close friends who never received an explanation for his abrupt change in behavior.

Sounds like a bad guy to me.

Rodgers + Trump = match! :D

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