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:lol: I notice you left out the Ditka comment.

Because you know its correct.

No I just wanted to be clear.

I don’t think it’s correct. I think the Sean Payton Saints have a good claim to that title as do a few different Viking and Chief teams during that time span.

But don’t ever stop this. I absolutely love the “you only remember your team winning 2 SB’s in your lifetime.” insult coming from someone who remembers 0 from theirs :lol:

You’re not a Pats fan. I’d suggest a difference course of action when trolling.

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The Packers have had one of the best 3 or 4 QB's to.ever play the game under center for them over the last 10-11 years. They have played in one Super Bowl.

Nobody has done less with more.

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The Packers have had one of the best 3 or 4 QB's to.ever play the game under center for them over the last 10-11 years. They have played in one Super Bowl.

Nobody has done less with more.

Are you saying unequivocally that Rodgers has been much better than Brees during their careers? Props if you are but I can’t meet you there and there’s no question Brees has played with better talent the last 5 years.

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The Packers have had one of the best 3 or 4 QB's to.ever play the game under center for them over the last 10-11 years. They have played in one Super Bowl.

Nobody has done less with more.

Are you saying unequivocally that Rodgers has been much better than Brees during their careers? Props if you are but I can’t meet you there and there’s no question Brees has played with better talent the last 5 years.

I think what he is saying is that Ditka was as bad of a coach as McCarthy was.

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The Packers have had one of the best 3 or 4 QB's to.ever play the game under center for them over the last 10-11 years. They have played in one Super Bowl.

Nobody has done less with more.

Are you saying unequivocally that Rodgers has been much better than Brees during their careers? Props if you are but I can’t meet you there and there’s no question Brees has played with better talent the last 5 years.

I think what he is saying is that Ditka was as bad of a coach as McCarthy was.

I’ve bashed McCarthy for years here but I wouldn’t insult him that much. He has an IQ higher than 70 I think.

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:lol: I notice you left out the Ditka comment.

Because you know its correct.

No I just wanted to be clear.

I don’t think it’s correct. I think the Sean Payton Saints have a good claim to that title as do a few different Viking and Chief teams during that time span.

But don’t ever stop this. I absolutely love the “you only remember your team winning 2 SB’s in your lifetime.” insult coming from someone who remembers 0 from theirs :lol:

You’re not a Pats fan. I’d suggest a difference course of action when trolling.

Hes right though. You have had two legends at QB from 92 to 2019, one is already a hall of Famer, the other will be, and each has one championship?
For the record I also think the Braves are massive underachievers. 11 consecutive division championships with that collection of players and only one title?
Same kind of thing.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
:lol: I notice you left out the Ditka comment.

Because you know its correct.

No I just wanted to be clear.

I don’t think it’s correct. I think the Sean Payton Saints have a good claim to that title as do a few different Viking and Chief teams during that time span.

But don’t ever stop this. I absolutely love the “you only remember your team winning 2 SB’s in your lifetime.” insult coming from someone who remembers 0 from theirs :lol:

You’re not a Pats fan. I’d suggest a difference course of action when trolling.

Hes right though. You have had two legends at QB from 92 to 2019, one is already a hall of Famer, the other will be, and each has one championship?
For the record I also think the Braves are massive underachievers. 11 consecutive division championships with that collection of players and only one title?
Same kind of thing.

Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

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Thank god I wasn’t around for Packers football in the 70’s and 80’s. The older GB fans scoff like crazy at this type of “criticism”. I know I’m due a shitty decade of GB football sooner or later but I just can’t help laugh at this type of talk from Bears fans. I’d love for my team to be the Pats. Everyone would. As a Sox and Bulls fan though these shots don’t really land.

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Darkside wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
:lol: I notice you left out the Ditka comment.

Because you know its correct.

No I just wanted to be clear.

I don’t think it’s correct. I think the Sean Payton Saints have a good claim to that title as do a few different Viking and Chief teams during that time span.

But don’t ever stop this. I absolutely love the “you only remember your team winning 2 SB’s in your lifetime.” insult coming from someone who remembers 0 from theirs :lol:

You’re not a Pats fan. I’d suggest a difference course of action when trolling.

Hes right though. You have had two legends at QB from 92 to 2019, one is already a hall of Famer, the other will be, and each has one championship?
For the record I also think the Braves are massive underachievers. 11 consecutive division championships with that collection of players and only one title?
Same kind of thing.

Pretty soon we’ll be saying this about the Cubs.

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Thank god I wasn’t around for Packers football in the 70’s and 80’s. The older GB fans scoff like crazy at this type of “criticism”. I know I’m due a shitty decade of GB football sooner or later but I just can’t help laugh at this type of talk from Bears fans. I’d love for my team to be the Pats. Everyone would. As a Sox and Bulls fan though these shots don’t really land.

Hey! Terdell Middleton had more yards the Payton 4 games into the ‘78 season. As a Packer fan who lived through that era I have a selective memory for the very few highlights. God bless James Lofton.

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Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

Brees, Brady, Elway, manning, Roethlisberger... the list goes on and that's just modern area.
Don't be so butthurt. Frank is right, as am I, you took a loss on this one. Its ok.

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Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

Brees, Brady, Elway, manning, Roethlisberger... the list goes on and that's just modern area.
Don't be so butthurt. Frank is right, as am I, you took a loss on this one. Its ok.

You think Ben is a top 10 QB of all time? Interesting.

Brees has less career credentials than Rodgers so maybe the list doesn’t go on? Lol don’t be butthurt you got proven wrong on this one. This isn’t the first time this has come up. You’re not gonna fare well here. But continue.

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Thank god I wasn’t around for Packers football in the 70’s and 80’s. The older GB fans scoff like crazy at this type of “criticism”. I know I’m due a shitty decade of GB football sooner or later but I just can’t help laugh at this type of talk from Bears fans. I’d love for my team to be the Pats. Everyone would. As a Sox and Bulls fan though these shots don’t really land.

Hey! Terdell Middleton had more yards the Payton 4 games into the ‘78 season. As a Packer fan who lived through that era I have a selective memory for the very few highlights. God bless James Lofton.

Darkside is giving a lot of weight seemingly to Big Ben’s legendary 2005 win over the Seahawks so let’s see where this goes lol

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Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

Brees, Brady, Elway, manning, Roethlisberger... the list goes on and that's just modern area.
Don't be so butthurt. Frank is right, as am I, you took a loss on this one. Its ok.

You think Ben is a top 10 QB of all time? Interesting.

Brees has less career credentials than Rodgers so maybe the list doesn’t go on? Lol don’t be butthurt you got proven wrong on this one. This isn’t the first time this has come up. You’re not gonna fare well here. But continue.

I'm not gonna fare well? Why? Because all you can really fall back on is Marino or Kelly as all timers with less super bowl wins?
You telling me that Elway, Manning, Brady dont belong on that list? If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

Dude just relax and face it. Since 92 having two HOF quarterbacks back to back in largely the same system for 27 years is an underachievement. That's it. It is.

This is actually more of an indictment on the bears than a shot at the packers if you would think about it.

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Thank god I wasn’t around for Packers football in the 70’s and 80’s. The older GB fans scoff like crazy at this type of “criticism”. I know I’m due a shitty decade of GB football sooner or later but I just can’t help laugh at this type of talk from Bears fans. I’d love for my team to be the Pats. Everyone would. As a Sox and Bulls fan though these shots don’t really land.

Hey! Terdell Middleton had more yards the Payton 4 games into the ‘78 season. As a Packer fan who lived through that era I have a selective memory for the very few highlights. God bless James Lofton.

Darkside is giving a lot of weight seemingly to Big Ben’s legendary 2005 win over the Seahawks so let’s see where this goes lol

I think you might have positively missed the point.
In fact you must have.

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I was wrong. ZippyThePinhead has done far less.

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Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

Brees, Brady, Elway, manning, Roethlisberger... the list goes on and that's just modern area.
Don't be so butthurt. Frank is right, as am I, you took a loss on this one. Its ok.

You think Ben is a top 10 QB of all time? Interesting.

Brees has less career credentials than Rodgers so maybe the list doesn’t go on? Lol don’t be butthurt you got proven wrong on this one. This isn’t the first time this has come up. You’re not gonna fare well here. But continue.

I'm not gonna fare well? Why? Because all you can really fall back on is Marino or Kelly as all timers with less super bowl wins?
You telling me that Elway, Manning, Brady dont belong on that list? If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

Dude just relax and face it. Since 92 having two HOF quarterbacks back to back in largely the same system for 27 years is an underachievement. That's it. It is.

This is actually more of an indictment on the bears than a shot at the packers if you would think about it.

It’s an indictment on a lot of folks which is my point. I’m obviously spoiled as a GB fan of my age so maybe that distorts things but that’s my other point. All my favorite football team has done for my whole life is be competitive, win 2 SBs, feature two of the best QBs ever, and have like 5 bad years in the last 25. And I’m supposed to be disappointed about that compared to being surrounded by Bears fans? That’s ridiculous. My point about the top 10 QBs ever is to point out how many all time greats win multiple titles. Guys like Montana and Brady are outliers and places above guys like Rodgers and Fabre because of that separation.

You’re also the only person I’ve ever heard say Ben is as good as Rodgers and Favre. That’s an amusing take.

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I’d be very worried as a Bears fan that Nagy is still focused on double-doink. He needs to let 2018 go. Huge warning flag that this season is gonna be a mess.


Nearly as worrisome is Nagy won’t have his Fangio security blanket. Pagano is a bum. The defense carried the team in preventing points and scoring points. Offense needs to step up this year which is a scary thought with Trubinsky as QB

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I’d be very worried as a Bears fan that Nagy is still focused on double-doink. He needs to let 2018 go. Huge warning flag that this season is gonna be a mess.


Nearly as worrisome is Nagy won’t have his Fangio security blanket. Pagano is a bum. The defense carried the team in preventing points and scoring points. Offense needs to step up this year which is a scary thought with Trubinsky as QB

Lotta issues bubbling signaling FADE FADE FADE

Sharps are definitely fading the Beloved.

That turnover differential can’t help but regress. The hope is Mitch improves enough to counteract that.

And I hate to say this but I’ve been saying it, Montgomery is gonna be a beast. Many consider it wasted draft capital and maybe, but he’s gonna be a beast. I don’t think Mitch is good though

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There's no way they are gonna be as healthy as they were last year. Pair that with a tougher schedule and I would be surprised if they win 12. Now if Mitch steps up and they start winning games because of him and not with him, 12 could happen. He has to get to the next level.


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They were able to sneak up on people last year, and it seemed that every crazy gadget play they ran worked. On the other hand, they still have Mack and a lot of weapons on offense. A regression is due, but it will be mild, I'll go 10-6.


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The D is going to better, more aggressive. My only beef with Fangio was he never blitzed.

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Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

Brees, Brady, Elway, manning, Roethlisberger... the list goes on and that's just modern area.
Don't be so butthurt. Frank is right, as am I, you took a loss on this one. Its ok.

You think Ben is a top 10 QB of all time? Interesting.

Brees has less career credentials than Rodgers so maybe the list doesn’t go on? Lol don’t be butthurt you got proven wrong on this one. This isn’t the first time this has come up. You’re not gonna fare well here. But continue.

I'm not gonna fare well? Why? Because all you can really fall back on is Marino or Kelly as all timers with less super bowl wins?
You telling me that Elway, Manning, Brady dont belong on that list? If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

Dude just relax and face it. Since 92 having two HOF quarterbacks back to back in largely the same system for 27 years is an underachievement. That's it. It is.

This is actually more of an indictment on the bears than a shot at the packers if you would think about it.

It’s an indictment on a lot of folks which is my point. I’m obviously spoiled as a GB fan of my age so maybe that distorts things but that’s my other point. All my favorite football team has done for my whole life is be competitive, win 2 SBs, feature two of the best QBs ever, and have like 5 bad years in the last 25. And I’m supposed to be disappointed about that compared to being surrounded by Bears fans? That’s ridiculous. My point about the top 10 QBs ever is to point out how many all time greats win multiple titles. Guys like Montana and Brady are outliers and places above guys like Rodgers and Fabre because of that separation.

You’re also the only person I’ve ever heard say Ben is as good as Rodgers and Favre. That’s an amusing take.

Well maybe because I didnt say that.

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Not really. Put together the list of your 10 greatest QBs of all time and then ask how many won more than 1 SB. Tell me what you come up with. And that’s not counting Peyton Manning with the Broncos being one of the worst QBs ever to win a title.

Brees, Brady, Elway, manning, Roethlisberger... the list goes on and that's just modern area.
Don't be so butthurt. Frank is right, as am I, you took a loss on this one. Its ok.

You think Ben is a top 10 QB of all time? Interesting.

Brees has less career credentials than Rodgers so maybe the list doesn’t go on? Lol don’t be butthurt you got proven wrong on this one. This isn’t the first time this has come up. You’re not gonna fare well here. But continue.

I'm not gonna fare well? Why? Because all you can really fall back on is Marino or Kelly as all timers with less super bowl wins?
You telling me that Elway, Manning, Brady dont belong on that list? If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

Dude just relax and face it. Since 92 having two HOF quarterbacks back to back in largely the same system for 27 years is an underachievement. That's it. It is.

This is actually more of an indictment on the bears than a shot at the packers if you would think about it.

It’s an indictment on a lot of folks which is my point. I’m obviously spoiled as a GB fan of my age so maybe that distorts things but that’s my other point. All my favorite football team has done for my whole life is be competitive, win 2 SBs, feature two of the best QBs ever, and have like 5 bad years in the last 25. And I’m supposed to be disappointed about that compared to being surrounded by Bears fans? That’s ridiculous. My point about the top 10 QBs ever is to point out how many all time greats win multiple titles. Guys like Montana and Brady are outliers and places above guys like Rodgers and Fabre because of that separation.

You’re also the only person I’ve ever heard say Ben is as good as Rodgers and Favre. That’s an amusing take.

Well maybe because I didnt say that.

Of course you did. Just read the quoted text.

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 Post subject: Re: 12-4
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:16 pm 
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Once again... that's not what I said. Read.

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 Post subject: Re: 12-4
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Darkside wrote:
Once again... that's not what I said. Read.

I did read. It appears you’re the one struggling with comprehension here.

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 Post subject: Re: 12-4
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Truly curious as to how the below quote doesn’t equate Ben with Rodgers and Favre, :lol:

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If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

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Truly curious as to how the below quote doesn’t equate Ben with Rodgers and Favre, :lol:

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If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

You dont get what I'm saying?

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 Post subject: Re: 12-4
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Darkside wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Truly curious as to how the below quote doesn’t equate Ben with Rodgers and Favre, :lol:

Darkside wrote:
If you take Favre and or Rodgers as an all timer you must take Ben.

You dont get what I'm saying?

I think we’ve made ourselves clear. What are you saying?

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