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That mess of a team made the Super Bowl with a hurt and ineffective Gurley.

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I'm loving the "No" from dolphin and Frank on the Chargers and Saints. Those are two of the easier names to put on the list.

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well, "saints" only has six letters so it was easy to put on the list

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Well yeah that, and the fact that they are better than the Bears in every facet except DL and still have a good DL.

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you want to break it down position by position on d or by group? either way, you are going to look bad.

I'll also take the Bears interior OL

Montgomery was often compared to Kamara so we have a younger Kamara on offense.

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I dont see how you can definitively say anybody is better than us. The Chiefs have a shit Defense, The Patriots are old and washed up. Colts Defense blows, Saints are legit 9n both sides of the ball but suck on the road. The 4 best teams in no order in the NFC are Vikings, Bears, Saints and Philly.

The four best AFC teams in no order are K.C., Cleveland, S.D. and Houston.

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QB - Saints
RB - Saints
WR - Saints
OL - Saints
TE - Saints

Frankly, none of those are debatable unless you're really eager to argue TE is roughly the same. Bears do a little better on defense but not nearly enough to offset that.

I'm not worried about looking bad to a guy who thinks the Bears are a better team than the Saints. Any strange thing can happen but that's not a defensible position going off of last year's season and this year's offseason.

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Thought it was clear I meant D as I'm responding to your statement about D. I can see why you'd want to avoid that discussion about that little difference between the teams.

The line discussion is certainly debatable. While the Saints are stronger on the outside, the Bears are stronger on the inside.

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I'm not avoiding any discussion. You seem to be the one unable to provide any actual reasons why you think the Bears are better than the Saints. And keep in mind your defense only got worse this offseason.

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The Saints aren't better across the OL. They aren't demonstrably better at TE. They are dependent on one player for an advantage at WR but their overall depth at that position is pretty mediocre. I wouldn't give them the advantage over the Bears as a WR unit. They are, of course, better at QB for the moment.

Bears D tops them in every D unit.

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hey yo. there's bears meatball-ism and then there's good dolphin bears meatball-ism.

That’s complete nonsense. Even after losing Unger they are clearly better on OL. You’d also be a fool to take the Bears WRs over Michael Thomas and the Saints other guys. The Bears have average talent at WR. The Saints have a legitimate superstar which as you alluded to, lifts up the rest of your corps. You should know better than to try to argue otherwise when it comes to OL and WR.

Saints secondary is better than the Bears secondary so you’re off there too. Especially without Amos yo help cover for Eddie Jackson’s holes and HaHa actively making everyone around him worse.

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Hey Yo, there is meatballism and then there's FF Packers meatballism.

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Marshon Lattimore regressed in his second year. Eli Apple sucks. Bell is just another in the box safety. Williams is a star in the making.

I'll take the Bear.

My analysis of the OL is spot on correct.

Packers fans throughout the internet seem to be all in on this Amos great Dix sucks narrative. Poor, deluded rustics.

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It's ok Frank. You aren't familiar with Haha's work. It will be fun watching Bears fan get familiar with it this year.

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Its ok, FF. You aren't familiar with the Bears being set up for sustained success (and frankly, neither am I ).

But I'm sure after enough ass kickings, you'll get used to it.

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It's not and there's no tangible evidence to back it up. The Saints OT's are head and shoulders above the Bears, while their IL is comparable. You won't find anyone who actually follows the whole NFL agree with your analysis.

Let me help you by bringing in some people who do this for a living:

http://thehuddle.com/2019/06/28/2019-of ... -rankings/

https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/07/off ... pact-2019/

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Sustained success very rarely happens after a team goes from worst to first place. The vast majority of the time regression sets in. Judging by historical similarities, the Bears are much more likely to fall back down to below .500 than they are to win 12 games in 2019.

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Barring a rash of injuries, the Bears will 'regress' to a 10-6 record, which is still probably going to be enough to win the NFC North.

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RT- Ramczyk Massie- Saints
RG- Woford Long- Bears
C- Mc Coy Daniels- Bears
LG- Peat Whitehair- Bears
LT- Armstead Leno- Saints

Tell me where I'm wrong.

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Oh, you mean the professionals who completely dismiss the impact of replacing Unger with a rookie to arrive at their conclusion? The first cite even uses Unger in its analysis before remembering he isn't there. Center is probably the most important position on the Saint OL with Brees' height issues and suddenly Mc Coy=Unger out of convenience.

GTFO with your fantasy football superficial citations used as expert opinion.

I got paid the last two years for my fantasy football opinions as well.

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RG is where you are wrong and C is a complete unknown between the two. The gap on the OTs is also a bigger talent gap than the three middle positions.

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Bears were one of the healthiest teams last year as well. Those injuries are likely coming.

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The Rams didn't get better and they have a questionable all pro running back now and a quarterback who the Bears exposed to the restThe Eagles have a QB whose back will probably be a problem and he hasn't played a lot in 2 seasons. The Packers are banking on Rodgers being healthy and developing unnamed receivers. The Saints may have blew their load last year. Rivers is a HoF QB who just can't quite get over the hump. He's the Andy Reid of quarterbacks. I don't fear him. Luck has been overrated for a while. Father Time may be finally ready to sit Brady down. I do fear him. Andy Reid will always lose the big game so I don't fear him that much.

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GO BEARS!!!

That read like you are trying to convince yourself, not me.

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The unknown is if Mc Coy will even win the job in camp. I'm sure you'd find his backup better than Daniels as well.

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Eddie Jackson missed time. Khalil Mack missed time. Mitch missed time. Anthony Miller missed time. Kyle Long missed time. Trey Burton hurt his vag and missed the playoff game. Prince Amukamara missed a couple games. Bryce Callahan missed the final 5 games (including the Eagles). Adam Shaheen missed half the year.

They were lucky, but lets not pretend that they didn't have some injuries to contend with. They may not have had MANY, but they had several to key guys on the roster.

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Add the Redskins to the list. They're gonna be good.

Northwestern. Go Cats.

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