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Up to .781 OPS! Not bad, that would be tied for 92nd in MLB.

And that first inning home run would be his fourth (4th!!!) extra base hit since the ASG. Who could possibly accuse him of being light hitting with 4 XBH in 23 games??

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On his way to another 30-100 season. Another all-star appearance. They need to keep him and McCann and get a couple of good veteran pitchers.

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Another at bat, another extra base hit and RBI For Abreu.

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Another at bat, another base hit and RBI For Abreu.

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I can understand your excitement. I would recommend you temper expectations though...let's give it about a week and we'll see where he is at. Maybe he recalled that he is a free agent at the end of the season and has thus turned a necessary corner.

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I have to say that I really enjoy the up and back here between IMU and Frank with each waiting to pounce the moment .800 is either exceeded or receeded.

In making this post I was searching for the antonym for exceed. I couldn't think of it and looked on line. Apparently there is no opposite word for exceed. Thus endeth the lesson.

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Abreu might get back to .800 OPS today.

83 RBI (more than anyone on the Cubs), 24 HR, and 122 hits so far this season. Only other player in town who has more in the latter two categories is Javy Baez. There is no doubt that Baez and Abreu have been the single best run producers in Chicago this season. There is literally not an argument to be made for anyone else with Tim Anderson being the one exception as he was right there with those guys before he went on the DL. And at this point, that would be a weak case. Otherwise, nobody else comes close.

I'll take the bombs and RBI from the middle of my order over walks any day of the week.

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I can understand your excitement. I would recommend you temper expectations though...let's give it about a week and we'll see where he is at. Maybe he recalled that he is a free agent at the end of the season and has thus turned a necessary corner.


maybe he took some vitamins


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I can understand your excitement. I would recommend you temper expectations though...let's give it about a week and we'll see where he is at. Maybe he recalled that he is a free agent at the end of the season and has thus turned a necessary corner.


maybe he took some vitamins

It's always been whispered about...

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No it hasn't.

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Maybe you're bad at adding OBP and SLG so let me do it for you.

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After his 4th inning single, he was over .800 dickhead.

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Ichiro had a career ops of 750 or so, when did this 800 become the benchmark for success?

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IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Maybe you're bad at adding OBP and SLG so let me do it for you.

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He's doing better than Eloy's .747 OPS.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
After his 4th inning single, he was over .800 dickhead.

He began the game at .796

He was at .794 after his 1st AB.

He was at .797 after his 4th inning leadoff single.

He was at .795 after his 3rd AB.

He was at .793 (not even .794) after his 4th AB.

So, again, he was not over .800 OPS during any point of yesterday's game.

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IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
After his 4th inning single, he was over .800 dickhead.

He began the game at .796

He was at .794 after his 1st AB.

He was at .797 after his 4th inning leadoff single.

He was at .795 after his 3rd AB.

He was at .793 (not even .794) after his 4th AB.

So, again, he was not over .800 OPS during any point of yesterday's game.


Who f'in cares? He's an all star AL first baseman.

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Jose Abreu had a decent first half of the season. He has been awful since. Comparable to Mallex Smith, Yolmer Sanchez, Orlando Arcia, Jurickson Profar and Jake Bauers.

BAD.

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Jose Abreu had a decent first half of the season. He has been awful since. Comparable to Mallex Smith, Yolmer Sanchez, Orlando Arcia, Jurickson Profar and Jake Bauers.

BAD.


Now you're REALLY reaching :lol:

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Jose Abreu has more hits, more HRs, and more RBI than Kris Bryant.

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Jose Abreu had a decent first half of the season. He has been awful since. Comparable to Mallex Smith, Yolmer Sanchez, Orlando Arcia, Jurickson Profar and Jake Bauers.

BAD.


Now you're REALLY reaching :lol:

OPS don't lie. His second half OPS is .664 which is right above or below the OPS of all those listed. Abreu's second half OPS ranks right near the very bottom of all qualified players.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Jose Abreu has more hits, more HRs, and more RBI than Kris Bryant.

Jose Abreu would be considered the better player in 1921. Great.

Meanwhile, Kris Bryant has a higher BA, OBP, SLG, more XBH, more walks and less strikeouts. So...actually no, KB would be the better player in every era.

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I never said who the better player was. My point was to show that focusing on one stat for the past month of an everyday player to in order to determine his worth is sheer stupidity. Abreu has been pretty cold since the AS break. He is still in the midst of a pretty fine season overall.

I thought a baseball expert would know this. Perhaps I'm giving you too much credit.

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I never said who the better player was. My point was to show that focusing on one stat for the past month of an everyday player to in order to determine his worth is sheer stupidity. Abreu has been pretty cold since the AS break. He is still in the midst of a pretty fine season overall.

I thought a baseball expert would know this. Perhaps I'm giving you too much credit.

You give yourself too much credit.

Two of the three statistics you wanted to mention to demonstrate how well Abreu has performed are already presented in the OPS number, and RBI has long been documented as a product of opportunity. You decided to compare RBI between a guy that has all 499 PA from the 3 spot to a guy that has only 126 PA from the 3 spot, and the rest from the 2 spot (1 PA from the 7th spot, as a PH). You also are comparing an AL player with an NL player, ignoring the additional chances an AL 3 hitter might have by having the 9 spot get on base at a much higher clip than a pitcher does. These examples are reflected in the following:

Jose Abreu has come to the plate 236 times with men on base. Kris Bryant has come to the plate only 189 times with men on base. Kris Bryant's stats are superior to Jose Abreu's stats in those plate appearances.

Jose Abreu: .301/.339/.505
Kris Bryant: .319/.397/.602

In fact, Kris Bryant's splits are extremely telling in that he is at his absolute best when 1) teammates are on base and 2) there are 2 outs.

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I'm giving myself credit?

YOU started this thread about Abreu and his .800 OPS. Now you try to qualify it all with AL vs NL, where they hit in the order (which, as Maddon and Theo have told us doesn't matter), two out hitting, hitting with runners on base, etc.

YOU started this thread about ONE stat. It's moronic. Don't @me now with all of these other numbers. Just own it. Be you.

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OPS is the most telling statistic. It is accurate. You have provided no statistics that demonstrate OPS as an inaccurate barometer of skill at the plate.

Meanwhile, you have pointed to one counting stat, RBI, as a metric to show Jose Abreu's supposed superiority, while pointedly ignoring the difference in quantity of opportunities between the players.

I don't need to qualify AL vs NL when discussing OPS. Yet another reason why OPS is all that we need to discuss.

But I'd be willing to entertain comparing the two players' wRC+, WAR or wOBA.

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Meanwhile, you have pointed to one counting stat, RBI, as a metric to show Jose Abreu's supposed superiority
Wrong. I have mentioned home runs and hits four times each on just this page of the thread.

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Meanwhile, you have pointed to one counting stat, RBI, as a metric to show Jose Abreu's supposed superiority
Wrong. I have mentioned home runs and hits four times each on just this page of the thread.

Be you.

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Two of the three statistics you wanted to mention to demonstrate how well Abreu has performed are already presented in the OPS number


Hits and home runs are both counting stats.

Abreu has 8 more PA, but only 3 more hits and 1 more HR. I mean, if that is the hill you want to plant your flag on...be you. But we're long past me needing to call you foolish in order to draw attention to your foolishness.

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