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 Post subject: Re: NFL Hires Jay-Z.
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Imagine if John Mellencamp were like "making music's great and all but what I really want is to be the Senior Vice President Of Being Thoughtful About The Plight Of Farmers" and then wrote lots of songs about taking meetings in conference rooms and managing a diversified investment portfolio.


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My take - I'm a musician/singer/entertainer but I'm going to be head of something sounding socially important and deep. It's a job with an important sounding title that gives me social status and makes me feel good while making money and going to meetings that don't mean shit but everybody nods their head and pats themselves on the back for being generally important all while believing or tricking myself in to believing I'm making a difference, and morally righteous.


Jay-Z has been rapping about materialism and business ventures for at least 15 years. It's stupid and crass. It goes beyond being non-art into anti-art.

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Jay-Z has been rapping about materialism and business ventures for at least 15 years. It's stupid and crass. It goes beyond being non-art into anti-art.


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Has a good beat, I always love marimbas and vibraphones and such.

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This is gonna be bad for Jay Z. It's not only social justice matters that players care about. They care more about non guaranteed contracts and the lack of power they have at the negotiating table. They care about being thrown to the streets the minute an injury makes them less productive, leading to them being replaced by a younger version of themselves who will also eventually meet the same fate. They are becoming more aware that they're risking their physical well-being to line the pockets of people they know don't give a shit about them. And now Jay Z has been voluntarily co-opted by such people. Not gonna end well for his brand. I see him disengaging based on reputation cost alone. L

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The people he is supposed to serve will be pushing him to make far leftist hires. The people who hire him will be pushing him to make centrist hires. Good luck balancing that.

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The people he is supposed to serve will be pushing him to make far leftist hires. The people who hire him will be pushing him to make centrist hires. Good luck balancing that.


Kaepernick, Reid and a lot of people on Twitter are beating him up for working with the NFL. Last time I checked Reid is still working with the NFL and Kaepernick would love to.

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This is gonna be bad for Jay Z. It's not only social justice matters that players care about. They care more about non guaranteed contracts and the lack of power they have at the negotiating table. They care about being thrown to the streets the minute an injury makes them less productive, leading to them being replaced by a younger version of themselves who will also eventually meet the same fate. They are becoming more aware that they're risking their physical well-being to line the pockets of people they know don't give a shit about them. And now Jay Z has been voluntarily co-opted by such people. Not gonna end well for his brand. I see him disengaging based on reputation cost alone. L
The players don't care about guaranteed contracts. Everyone knows the total pool of money doesn't change whether the contracts are guaranteed or not. Kirk Cousins was fully guaranteed and he will make the same as any other similar quarterback who signed a big deal. The revenue split in the NFL is lower than a place like the NBA but it is pretty clear the NBA players by the vary nature of the sport have far more leverage.

I think this is simply a sign that the Kaepernick "drama" is pretty much over. He got his day in court and settled. Players kneeling barely registers any more even when it does happen. The NFL is actually growing the total share of cable viewers they have.

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This is gonna be bad for Jay Z. It's not only social justice matters that players care about. They care more about non guaranteed contracts and the lack of power they have at the negotiating table. They care about being thrown to the streets the minute an injury makes them less productive, leading to them being replaced by a younger version of themselves who will also eventually meet the same fate. They are becoming more aware that they're risking their physical well-being to line the pockets of people they know don't give a shit about them. And now Jay Z has been voluntarily co-opted by such people. Not gonna end well for his brand. I see him disengaging based on reputation cost alone. L
The players don't care about guaranteed contracts. Everyone knows the total pool of money doesn't change whether the contracts are guaranteed or not. Kirk Cousins was fully guaranteed and he will make the same as any other similar quarterback who signed a big deal. The revenue split in the NFL is lower than a place like the NBA but it is pretty clear the NBA players by the vary nature of the sport have far more leverage.

I think this is simply a sign that the Kaepernick "drama" is pretty much over. He got his day in court and settled. Players kneeling barely registers any more even when it does happen. The NFL is actually growing the total share of cable viewers they have.


NFL players disagree with your assertion that NFL players don't care about guaranteed contracts.
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I will never understand how billionaire team owners have convinced the public that the players, who put their bodies on the line every week and make less than 50% of league revenue, are the ‘ungrateful’ ones,” Los Angeles Chargers left tackle Russell Okung explained on his Twitter account. “Considering football’s level of brute, immanent physicality, high turnover as well as the short life cycle of its participants, it would seem to me that NFL players are in the most need of fully guaranteed contracts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfra ... 1edc072b76

https://www.tmz.com/2018/07/05/todd-gur ... eed-deals/

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Hires Jay-Z.
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They have a CBA. No one forces them to sign it. Most are able to negotiate a contract. They could demand that it be fully guaranteed like Cousins did.

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They have a CBA. No one forces them to sign it. Most are able to negotiate a contract. They could demand that it be fully guaranteed like Cousins did.

Boom. Conversation over.

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Players kneeling barely registers any more even when it does happen.
....until Trump tweets about it so his sheep that don't even care about the NFL get all up in arms over it.

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This is gonna be bad for Jay Z. It's not only social justice matters that players care about. They care more about non guaranteed contracts and the lack of power they have at the negotiating table. They care about being thrown to the streets the minute an injury makes them less productive, leading to them being replaced by a younger version of themselves who will also eventually meet the same fate. They are becoming more aware that they're risking their physical well-being to line the pockets of people they know don't give a shit about them. And now Jay Z has been voluntarily co-opted by such people. Not gonna end well for his brand. I see him disengaging based on reputation cost alone. L
The players don't care about guaranteed contracts. Everyone knows the total pool of money doesn't change whether the contracts are guaranteed or not. Kirk Cousins was fully guaranteed and he will make the same as any other similar quarterback who signed a big deal. The revenue split in the NFL is lower than a place like the NBA but it is pretty clear the NBA players by the vary nature of the sport have far more leverage.

I think this is simply a sign that the Kaepernick "drama" is pretty much over. He got his day in court and settled. Players kneeling barely registers any more even when it does happen. The NFL is actually growing the total share of cable viewers they have.


NFL players disagree with your assertion that NFL players don't care about guaranteed contracts.
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I will never understand how billionaire team owners have convinced the public that the players, who put their bodies on the line every week and make less than 50% of league revenue, are the ‘ungrateful’ ones,” Los Angeles Chargers left tackle Russell Okung explained on his Twitter account. “Considering football’s level of brute, immanent physicality, high turnover as well as the short life cycle of its participants, it would seem to me that NFL players are in the most need of fully guaranteed contracts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfra ... 1edc072b76

https://www.tmz.com/2018/07/05/todd-gur ... eed-deals/
It's just a negotiating tactic. Guaranteed contracts don't change the total player compensation. They may change how the contract is structured and there may be some who make more or some who make less but it really doesn't effect the players as a whole. They would be much smarter to keep contracts the same and try and get 50% of league revenue. The Kirk Cousins contract was a perfect example. He wanted it all guaranteed and he got it. He got $84 million guaranteed over 3 years. That's $28 million a year. Russel Wilson just signed a 4 year contract, with $107 million in guaranteed money. That's $26.75 million a year. However, his money is actually guaranteed for the first 3 years, which is $35 million a year, and if he isn't cut by whatever the deadline is for year 4, he gets another $24 and then $26 the years after that if they don't restructure it again and give him even more money. So, he will far outearn Cousins in the first 3 years and Cousins will need something like $40 million a year to catch up to him in his next contract for the first two years, and as I said, Wilson may still get a raise on those last two years anyways to bump him up from the non-guaranteed $24 and $26 million a year.

That's why guaranteed contracts really don't mean much. The players aren't going to make more money as a whole with them which makes it a losing fight for the union.

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BRick stars are usually fine, it the 3rd and 4th tier players who get screwed. That being said they can still fight for that in the next CBA.

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BRick stars are usually fine, it the 3rd and 4th tier players who get screwed. That being said they can still fight for that in the next CBA.
Even those players are mostly getting what they deserve outside of those who far outpace their pay and that would be true if the whole contract was guaranteed. Even now those players aren't often getting deals for more than a year or two. They aren't suddenly getting them with more of it guaranteed unless it is for a small amount of money later.

The rookie deal players get screwed more than anyone given they can't really negotiate on their own. However, those also have a high percentage that is guaranteed.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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This is gonna be bad for Jay Z. It's not only social justice matters that players care about. They care more about non guaranteed contracts and the lack of power they have at the negotiating table. They care about being thrown to the streets the minute an injury makes them less productive, leading to them being replaced by a younger version of themselves who will also eventually meet the same fate. They are becoming more aware that they're risking their physical well-being to line the pockets of people they know don't give a shit about them. And now Jay Z has been voluntarily co-opted by such people. Not gonna end well for his brand. I see him disengaging based on reputation cost alone. L
The players don't care about guaranteed contracts. Everyone knows the total pool of money doesn't change whether the contracts are guaranteed or not. Kirk Cousins was fully guaranteed and he will make the same as any other similar quarterback who signed a big deal. The revenue split in the NFL is lower than a place like the NBA but it is pretty clear the NBA players by the vary nature of the sport have far more leverage.

I think this is simply a sign that the Kaepernick "drama" is pretty much over. He got his day in court and settled. Players kneeling barely registers any more even when it does happen. The NFL is actually growing the total share of cable viewers they have.


NFL players disagree with your assertion that NFL players don't care about guaranteed contracts.
Quote:
I will never understand how billionaire team owners have convinced the public that the players, who put their bodies on the line every week and make less than 50% of league revenue, are the ‘ungrateful’ ones,” Los Angeles Chargers left tackle Russell Okung explained on his Twitter account. “Considering football’s level of brute, immanent physicality, high turnover as well as the short life cycle of its participants, it would seem to me that NFL players are in the most need of fully guaranteed contracts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfra ... 1edc072b76

https://www.tmz.com/2018/07/05/todd-gur ... eed-deals/


Sure players care. I sure would if everytime I took a hit I could be taken off the field on a stretcher afterwards. The thing is that the owners will never agree to guaranteed deals and the NFL players have little power to change that. It would pretty much take a big STRIKE by the players and everytime there is a strike, the players pretty much lose and they know it.

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Guaranteed contracts aren't illegal in the NFL. Players don't need to strike. Agents and players, as free agents, just need to ask for fully guaranteed sums and then not sign until offered one.

I bet I know who caves first.

And so why should the owners just start offering guaranteed contracts when the players don't even want to discuss 18 regular season games.

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