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Now you're deflecting. You said 60% is mediocre for Curry. Curry has never shot better than 50% from 3 in any season during his career. Thus he must be a mediocre shooter.


I said 6/10 from 3 isn't even worth mentioning when Curry does it. When "The GOAT" did it he shrugged like it was some superhuman feat and you ate it up.

He didn't shrug after his 10th attempt. He shrugged after his 8th attempt and setting the 3 pt record for most 3 pt FGs in a half in the playoffs.

You of all people should know context is important.



I didn't see Klay Thompson shrug when he did it. And he isn't even the best shooter on his own team.



Steph Curry shimmy shakes even on nights when the 3 is broke as hell. Now you are mad because Jordan posed?

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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.

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Now you are mad because Jordan posed?


I'm not mad about anything. You seem mad that someone suggested Jordan might not be the best at a particular aspect of the game. I don't care about Michael Jordan at all.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


The topic is about Jordan the scorer not Jordan the shooter by the way. He isn't regarded as the best shooter of all time so what's your point?
You stated that Jordan's 60% isn't even Curry's best day. Yes it is. Curry has MANY games in which he doesn't shoot 60% from the field from 3. False comparison with that being the case.

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Now you are mad because Jordan posed?


I'm not mad about anything. You seem mad that someone suggested Jordan might not be the best at a particular aspect of the game.


Shooting wasn't that aspect. I'm good with people not thinking he is the best ever. Hell when Chris Jackson was at LSU i mistakenly believed he would give Jordan work.

I already stated that it was worth discussing so the part about "mad" is just you misinterpreting yet again.

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Now you're deflecting. You said 60% is mediocre for Curry. Curry has never shot better than 50% from 3 in any season during his career. Thus he must be a mediocre shooter.


I said 6/10 from 3 isn't even worth mentioning when Curry does it. When "The GOAT" did it he shrugged like it was some superhuman feat and you ate it up.

He didn't shrug after his 10th attempt. He shrugged after his 8th attempt and setting the 3 pt record for most 3 pt FGs in a half in the playoffs.

You of all people should know context is important.



I didn't see Klay Thompson shrug when he did it. And he isn't even the best shooter on his own team.

Because it was 1991. Rumor has it, Crazy Legs McGillacuddy shrugged when he completed his 6th forward pass to break the record.


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Nardi wrote:
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Now you're deflecting. You said 60% is mediocre for Curry. Curry has never shot better than 50% from 3 in any season during his career. Thus he must be a mediocre shooter.


I said 6/10 from 3 isn't even worth mentioning when Curry does it. When "The GOAT" did it he shrugged like it was some superhuman feat and you ate it up.

He didn't shrug after his 10th attempt. He shrugged after his 8th attempt and setting the 3 pt record for most 3 pt FGs in a half in the playoffs.

You of all people should know context is important.



I didn't see Klay Thompson shrug when he did it. And he isn't even the best shooter on his own team.

Because it was 1991. Rumor has it, Crazy Legs McGillacuddy shrugged when he completed his 6th forward pass to break the record.


I think the shrug had almost as much to do with the fact that he was matched up against Drexler. There was a little chatter from Drexler and people around Drexler insinuating that he was as good as Jordan. Its silly to think about that now but in 1992 Drexler was considered by a number of people to be the 2nd best player in the game.

The shrug was a way to show him and everyone else that he wasn't in Jordan's class as a player.

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long time guy wrote:
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Now you're deflecting. You said 60% is mediocre for Curry. Curry has never shot better than 50% from 3 in any season during his career. Thus he must be a mediocre shooter.


I said 6/10 from 3 isn't even worth mentioning when Curry does it. When "The GOAT" did it he shrugged like it was some superhuman feat and you ate it up.

He didn't shrug after his 10th attempt. He shrugged after his 8th attempt and setting the 3 pt record for most 3 pt FGs in a half in the playoffs.

You of all people should know context is important.



I didn't see Klay Thompson shrug when he did it. And he isn't even the best shooter on his own team.

Because it was 1991. Rumor has it, Crazy Legs McGillacuddy shrugged when he completed his 6th forward pass to break the record.


I think the shrug had almost as much to do with the fact that he was matched up against Drexler. There was a little chatter from Drexler and people around Drexler insinuating that he was as good as Jordan. Its silly to think about that now but in 1992 Drexler was considered by a number of people to be the 2nd best player in the game.

The shrug was a way to show him and everyone else that he wasn't in Jordan's class as a player.

What you say could be true(Portland didn't draft Jordan because of Drexler) but I looked at it as "The basket looks like a hulahoop right now". He shrugged at Magic.


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The topic is about Jordan the scorer not Jordan the shooter by the way.


Is there another way to score that I am unaware of?

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The topic is about Jordan the scorer not Jordan the shooter by the way.


Is there another way to score that I am unaware of?



Can you provide a list of the best 3 point shooters (at least 3) that were also among the best scorers in league history?

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The topic is about Jordan the scorer not Jordan the shooter by the way.


Is there another way to score that I am unaware of?

Is this IMU? Get off JORR's account.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?

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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?



He took more bad shots. Jordan was a FAR less efficient scorer than Curry.

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Jordie would be unstoppable today. He'd put in the work and become a decent three-point shooter too.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?



He took more bad shots. Jordan was a FAR less efficient scorer than Curry.


Since his career avg is 7 points per game more for his career its safe to say he was a much better scorer (About 25% per game better at it) Steve Kerr was probably more efficient too. Doesn't mean he was better at it.


Of the top 25 in career scoring avg there are maybe 3 that were considered shooters. Your best scorers rarely are found among the best 3 point shooters.

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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?



He took more bad shots. Jordan was a FAR less efficient scorer than Curry.


Since his career avg is 7 points per game more for his career its safe to say he was a much better scorer (About 25% per game better at it) Steve Kerr was probably more efficient too. Doesn't mean he was better at it.


Of the top 25 in career scoring avg there are maybe 3 that were considered shooters. Your best scorers rarely are found among the best 3 point shooters.



Now you're going to compare the scoring of Curry to that of Steve Kerr? You don't realize you're losing an argument I'm not even trying to have.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?



He took more bad shots. Jordan was a FAR less efficient scorer than Curry.

And when the 4 pt shot becomes the holy grail for Shooter Magee in 2042, he will be much more efficient than Steph.


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Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?



He took more bad shots. Jordan was a FAR less efficient scorer than Curry.

And when the 4 pt shot becomes the holy grail for Shooter Magee in 2042, he will be much more efficient than Steph.


Jordan played with the 3 point shot his entire career and from 1994-97 it was shorter than the line Curry shoots from. Try again.

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He'd put in the work and become a decent three-point shooter too.
This tends to get overlooked anytime somebody tries to paint somebody other than Jordan as the GOAT. His competitive nature and worth ethic was second to none. Jordan would have shaped his game to dominate whatever era of the NBA he played in.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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the fact that he wasn't a 3 point shooter


Now we're getting somewhere. His typical shot was worth only 66.66% of Steph Curry's typical shot. As I said in my first response to Rick, every player is different.


And yet his "typical" shot allowed him to avg 7 points more for his career than Curry. With a shot that is worth less how is that even possible Jorr?



He took more bad shots. Jordan was a FAR less efficient scorer than Curry.


Since his career avg is 7 points per game more for his career its safe to say he was a much better scorer (About 25% per game better at it) Steve Kerr was probably more efficient too. Doesn't mean he was better at it.


Of the top 25 in career scoring avg there are maybe 3 that were considered shooters. Your best scorers rarely are found among the best 3 point shooters.



Now you're going to compare the scoring of Curry to that of Steve Kerr? You don't realize you're losing an argument I'm not even trying to have.


No what i just demonstrated is that guys that are the best at 3 point shooting are rarely the best at scoring.


You haven't and can't refute this yet you are certain that i am losing. Sure i am. Efficient scoring is meaningless stat if the guy doesn't score all that much. DeAndre Jordan is probably more efficient too. So is Tyson Chandler.

Jordan shot 50% for his career. Damn good for a shooting guard. Its not like he was scoring because he was a chucker. He shot a high percentage too.

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Jordie would be unstoppable today. He'd put in the work and become a decent three-point shooter too.



Why don't you put in the work and become a decent three-point shooter?

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Efficient scoring is meaningless stat if the guy doesn't score all that much.


Are you now suggesting Curry "doesn't score all that much"?

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When Steph wins DPOY I'll have no problem putting him in Jordan's class. They're similarly effective offensive players.

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His competitive nature and worth ethic was second to none. Jordan would have shaped his game to dominate whatever era of the NBA he played in.


Here's one of the reasons the argument is pointless. No amount of statistics or logical argument can ever overcome your premise.

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Efficient scoring is meaningless stat if the guy doesn't score all that much.


Are you now suggesting Curry "doesn't score all that much"?


He is one of the few guys that are good at 3 point shooting that is also good at scoring. Still 7 points per game below Jordan for his career.

Can you find 2 more that were great from 3 yet among the top 25 all time in scoring.

Jordan by the way is No.1 all time per game.

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When Steph wins DPOY I'll have no problem putting him in Jordan's class. They're similarly effective offensive players.


Not really.

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When Steph wins DPOY I'll have no problem putting him in Jordan's class. They're similarly effective offensive players.



They're not similar at all. Curry scores at an effective rate of 58% compared to Jordan's 50%. I don't know if that overcomes Jordan's defense, but I also don't know how great Jordan's defense actually was. When he and Pippen played the passing lanes in a borderline illegal "zone" they picked off a lot of balls. When Jordan had to cover a small quick guard one-on-one, he wasn't so great. But again, I'm not the one insisting one guy is the GOAT.

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His competitive nature and worth ethic was second to none. Jordan would have shaped his game to dominate whatever era of the NBA he played in.

Here's one of the reasons the argument is pointless. No amount of statistics or logical argument can ever overcome your premise.
Except that Jordan actually did changed his game to become more of a perimeter player after he lost to the Magic in the playoffs. In his HOF speech, he called out coaches and players for things that happened twenty and thirty years beforehand.

It may not be possible able to quantify that with numbers, but you know damn well my statement was correct.

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But again, I'm not the one insisting one guy is the GOAT.
You're insisting he may not be, yet have not given one viable reason or stat to support your outlandish opinion.

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In his HOF speech, he called out coaches and players for things that happened twenty and thirty years beforehand.


That doesn't make him great. It makes him a petty shithead.

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