Correct. You're insisting he's not one of the 100 best scorers of all time

That's why it's pretty flawed to just take one stat and rank everyone that ever played according to it. EFG% is effective taken in conjunction with other stats. You're gonna have a bad time just using it to rank scorers all time.

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It wasn't the holy grail it is today. You are hindsighting history. If Jordan was growing up in the '90's instead of the 70's, he'd be above Steph's efficiency. By the way, Jordan's numbers don't go down in the playoffs, they go up. Steph's go down. Harden's go down. That's how it goes for most normal players.

No amount of statistics or logical argument can ever overcome your premise.

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An effective rate where defenses were stacked to stop him for the entirety of his career. Curry rarely gets doubled and most of those 3's of his are wide open, practice jump shots.

Jordan isn't the 3 point shooter Curry happens to be but there isn't a person alive that would rather have the ball in Curry's hands to make a shot rather than Jordan's.

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I'm certainly not insisting any such thing.

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Except people who understand math.

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Is this a weak argument for why Jordan is the GOAT or a weak argument against it?

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How about people that understand winning. What decision would they make?

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For JORR, it's gotta be George Mikan or Tom Boerwinkle.

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Jordan made First team all nba defense 4 times prior to Pippen being selected 1st team.

Jordan was considered by most to be a lockdown defender early in his career.

You are when you insist that EFG% is the only way to rank scorers.

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Steph can at times CREATE an efficient shot. But he's not in that business. Jordan was in that business. That's the difference between shooters and scorers.

They'd go with Robert Horry.

Seriously, you guys are making my point better than I can. It doesn't matter what evidence you're confronted with, Jordan is the greatest and always will be. You know it to be an indisputable fact. Like I said, any argument about the subject is pointless. And particularly so with Chicagoans/Bulls fans.

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I'm not saying it's the only way. But 80 points of efficiency isn't insignificant. And we're not talking about a guy who scores 12 points a game.

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Michael Jordan has the highest per game avg in league history and your only refute is "well he took more shots". He wasn't really all that great at it.

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OK, but that 80 points is on par with the entire league's efficiency raise over the last three decades.

Or we can put this another way - who is a better scorer - Michael Jordan or Klay Thompson? Why?

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Alright, confront us with some evidence then.

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EFG% is useless when it comes to Jordan. His job was to take all the shots, good ones and bad ones. Coach didn't say, hey Michael, your job is to set up Brad Sellers for the easy basket.

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I have a friend from Brooklyn who claims that the only difference between Jordan and John Starks was that Jordan averaged more shots per game.

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In Thompson's case it's only 50 points of efficiency and he scores less than Curry. The real answer is that both Curry and Thompson are far better at a certain aspect of the game than Jordan. But that won't be accepted by Chicagoans/Bulls fans. We have to twist ourselves into knots and imagine that Jordan could have done something else if he wanted almost as if he were Superman which MANY here actually believe he was.

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That is a lot different than saying Jordan is not the greatest player in NBA history.

Still waiting on evidence to the contrary.

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Nonsense. Of course it's accepted that Klay and Steph are better at one aspect of the game than Jordan. Peja Stojaković is better at that same aspect. I guess we can add him to the growing list of Better Scorers Than Michael Jordan

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Defense is useless when it comes to Curry. His job is to shoot and score. Coach doesn't say, hey Steph, your job is to lock down James Harden.

See how dumb this is? But you guys are acting like I'm the one presenting "weak argument".

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And in Curry's case that skill translates into him being a better scorer than Jordan. Not a higher scorer, but a better scorer.

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I don't think that's true but I think you can make a good argument for it. And like I said, when Steph wins DPOY and/or makes 10 First Team All Defense teams, I'll happily concede him as Jordan's equal.

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Nope. Curry is not asked to create shots.

No because on offense you have the choice to take a shot or not. On defense you have no choice, the opponent makes the choice.

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Is James Harden a better distributor of the basketball than Mr. Jordan?

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Steph's efficiency dropped nearly 50 percentage points in the playoffs. Why over his career does it drop an average of 25 while Jordan's had no change? Simple. Jordan creates his own shots in the regular season and creates his own shots in the playoffs. Guess who had to create more shots for their team this playoff season in the Bay area? Guess who's going to have to do it next year, even during the regular season? Will he choose to? Will he risk possible bad shots to win? Can he even create enough shots? Will he make sure the ball is in his hands with 8 seconds on the shot clock?

Nope because he's more shooter than scorer.

Classic strawman argument

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