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I'm still on the fence with him, he's got no excuses this year. He's gotta play better, this team wins the SB if he's above average.


He needs to be great most of this year. Leave no doubt and destroy the rest of the league.


I would think that Bears fans would discuss the Baltimore Ravens history of winning with bum quarterbacks like Trubinsky. He was a three year bench rider at North Carolina for a reason and his arm and brain haven't gotten better uet.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is going to be a stud. He was the top quarterback on most draft boards and a guy Nagy personally loved. Haters gone hate. You'll also be a Bears fan by the end of the next decade.

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The Bears had a simulated game tonight. A total of 60 plays for the offense and defense. I love the creativity by Nagy. No need to play the starters on Friday.

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I forgot that there is one more thing that concerns me and that is over-all special teams not just field goal kicking. They did a lousy job last year at point of attack blocking on kick-offs and punts. I think that they have the skill guys to do better but these guys do need a block more often than not to run one back once in awhile.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


It sounds like Mitch has looked bad in camp, he could use the reps with a live pass rush. I'm not going to be concerned about it..unless he looks like shit against GB in two weeks. Nagy did a nice job of keeping these guys healthy last year, maybe he's right in not playing them in pre season.. Fangio took the opposite approach, he's got his guys grinding in Denver.

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I tried to sort through my thoughts on this not playing yesterday. I started to lean toward it being okay. A plus is definitely keeping them healthy even if they are a touch rusty to start the season. They supposedly structured practice in some newfangled way to try to avoid it.

Another thing I have not thought about at first was the benefit to backups and that value to the team. During the season the backups get zero reps in game and are asked to come in after injury and perform. The starters get all their reps then so maybe if Mitch goes done the backups are more ready to lead the team for a bit.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


I seem to remember them coming out of the gate slowly last year, including game speed conditioning.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


I just hope they did everything they could to make sure he's coming out of the gate confident. Almost every analyst and player seems to say the same thing. Practice is nothing compared to the real thing. I want to be proven wrong, but it just seems like every rep he can get in a live game would go a long way towards helping with his confidence and decision making.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


I seem to remember them coming out of the gate slowly last year, including game speed conditioning.


That Packers game pissed me off so much I can't remember the next few games, but I also think some of the Packers game was just Rodgers being Rodgers and less about conditioning. Were they that off the next few games?

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


It sounds like Mitch has looked bad in camp, he could use the reps with a live pass rush. I'm not going to be concerned about it..unless he looks like shit against GB in two weeks. Nagy did a nice job of keeping these guys healthy last year, maybe he's right in not playing them in pre season.. Fangio took the opposite approach, he's got his guys grinding in Denver.

Belichick played all his starters including Brady last night. I like Nagy but I don't think he's smarter than BB.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


It sounds like Mitch has looked bad in camp, he could use the reps with a live pass rush. I'm not going to be concerned about it..unless he looks like shit against GB in two weeks. Nagy did a nice job of keeping these guys healthy last year, maybe he's right in not playing them in pre season.. Fangio took the opposite approach, he's got his guys grinding in Denver.


Not even (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's biggest critic has said that he looked bad in camp. The Bears wouldn't face a pass rush that would be better than theirs in the preseason so it comes back to getting hit. Why do we want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to get hit?

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


I seem to remember them coming out of the gate slowly last year, including game speed conditioning.


The offense was inconsistent because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky spent a lot of time thinking instead of playing. That level of experience can only come in the regular season because you don't run plays from the playbook during the preseason. Conditioning was an issue for the defense against the Packers.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


I just hope they did everything they could to make sure he's coming out of the gate confident. Almost every analyst and player seems to say the same thing. Practice is nothing compared to the real thing. I want to be proven wrong, but it just seems like every rep he can get in a live game would go a long way towards helping with his confidence and decision making.


The older players say that because that's all they knew. Times have changed in the NFL. The preseason is essentially live practice because neither team runs a sophisticated offense or defense.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


It sounds like Mitch has looked bad in camp, he could use the reps with a live pass rush. I'm not going to be concerned about it..unless he looks like shit against GB in two weeks. Nagy did a nice job of keeping these guys healthy last year, maybe he's right in not playing them in pre season.. Fangio took the opposite approach, he's got his guys grinding in Denver.

Belichick played all his starters including Brady last night. I like Nagy but I don't think he's smarter than BB.


The Rams didn't play any starters last season and it worked out well for them. I'm not saying Nagy is smarter than Belichick but you can have success without doing everything that Belichick does.

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I still think it's odd to have zero healthy starters play in any preseason games. Not saying they have to play into the 3rd quarter like tradition dictates, but a couple/three series for the starters on offense and defense would help them be ready for the season IMO.

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I still think it's odd to have zero healthy starters play in any preseason games. Not saying they have to play into the 3rd quarter like tradition dictates, but a couple/three series for the starters on offense and defense would help them be ready for the season IMO.


How does it help them beyond the physical contact and a little conditioning? No one shows anything in the preseason. If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky looks like a stud it doesn't mean that carries over when he faces complex defenses. If he sucks it doesn't mean that he will suck once they start game planning for their opponents.

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How does it help them beyond the physical contact and a little conditioning?
You just answered your own question. Clearly these guys are in shape year round. There is "football shape" though and because nobody can hit in practice, it wouldn't hurt these guys to get hit and do some hitting in a game for real before the season opener. Part of the reason tackling is so poor in this league is because nobody plays in the preseason.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


I seem to remember them coming out of the gate slowly last year, including game speed conditioning.


OK, but Cam Newton played last night and left the stadium in a walking boot.

If that happened to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, torch- and pitchfork-wielding Bears fans would be storming Halas Hall right now.

There is no perfect answer to the amount of reps starters should get during preseason.

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How does it help them beyond the physical contact and a little conditioning?
You just answered your own question. Clearly these guys are in shape year round. There is "football shape" though and because nobody can hit in practice, it wouldn't hurt these guys to get hit and do some hitting in a game for real before the season opener. Part of the reason tackling is so poor in this league is because nobody plays in the preseason.


Fair enough. I think they can overcome that. I'm more concerned with indispensable getting hurt in a meaningless game. If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky gets hurt for a significant amount of time the season is over. There is absolute trash behind him. He's more important than Mack.

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1/2 of game action 2 weeks prior to opening night will not provide any team with a marked advantage over a team that chooses not to play starters this week.

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I was clear to me watching that last pre-season game that the Bears need to really hope that their starting offensive line stays healthy because the guys behind them aren't worth a pile of crap. I was hoping that they'd invest in a G and T in the off season and may I guess add a lineman or two when final cuts occur. I hope so because that to me is my only apprehension about the offense.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


It sounds like Mitch has looked bad in camp, he could use the reps with a live pass rush. I'm not going to be concerned about it..unless he looks like shit against GB in two weeks. Nagy did a nice job of keeping these guys healthy last year, maybe he's right in not playing them in pre season.. Fangio took the opposite approach, he's got his guys grinding in Denver.

Belichick played all his starters including Brady last night. I like Nagy but I don't think he's smarter than BB.


The Rams didn't play any starters last season and it worked out well for them. I'm not saying Nagy is smarter than Belichick but you can have success without doing everything that Belichick does.

I think it worked out a little better for the Patriots than the Rams.

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Seeing all of these injuries, multiple people commenting on smart Nagy is for not playing his starters so far. I got to be honest, I think at least with Mitch, this is going to backfire. I just don't understand why you can't have him just work in the pocket for a quarter.


Other than getting hit what benefit does (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get in a game that he wouldn't get in practice? Teams don't gameplan for preseason games.


It sounds like Mitch has looked bad in camp, he could use the reps with a live pass rush. I'm not going to be concerned about it..unless he looks like shit against GB in two weeks. Nagy did a nice job of keeping these guys healthy last year, maybe he's right in not playing them in pre season.. Fangio took the opposite approach, he's got his guys grinding in Denver.

Belichick played all his starters including Brady last night. I like Nagy but I don't think he's smarter than BB.


The Rams didn't play any starters last season and it worked out well for them. I'm not saying Nagy is smarter than Belichick but you can have success without doing everything that Belichick does.

I think it worked out a little better for the Patriots than the Rams.


When you have #12 that usually gives you an edge. It's best to leave no time on the clock for him to win the game.

Many people are comparing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's leadership ability to Brady's

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I'm still a card-carrying member of the Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky Fan Club, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable making any comparison between him and Tom Brady other than they are white and play the same position at football.

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I'm still a card-carrying member of the Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky Fan Club, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable making any comparison between him and Tom Brady other than they are white and play the same position at football.


That's how you get the diamond card. I thought you were better than a gold card carrying member.

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It's starting to feel like they're hiding something with Mitch.


Remember Mitch leading them downfield for what should have been a game winning field goal in the playoffs.

Nothing hidden there. That pass he made to get them into range can only be made by about 10 NFL QB's

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It's starting to feel like they're hiding something with Mitch.


Remember Mitch leading them downfield for what should have been a game winning field goal in the playoffs.

Nothing hidden there. That pass he made to get them into range can only be made by about 10 NFL QB's


Has anyone addressed if Mitch went off the script in the second half? Part of me wonders if that's what happened in those last few drives. Basically he stopped overthinking things and finally just started doing things naturally as they came to him.

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