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:lol: There is no earthly way the Packers put up 31 points against that Bears front 7.

Rodgers put up 24 in one half against that defense last year, and the defense is objectively worse. And he did that on one leg. Good luck my friend. You're gonna need it come Thursday.


How is it objectively worse?

Losing Amos and Callahan and replacing them with one of the worst safeties in the league and a random guy named Buster who got torched last year is objectively worse. And that's not even getting into losing the best DC in the league and replacing him with an idiot.


What makes Pagano an idiot? Did you forget his time in Baltimore?

That's like being on the Patriots. Every DC looks good in Baltimore. Did you forget his time in Indy?


He was dying and everyone can't be the guy. Fangio sucked when he was asked to get 1 stop. Even Eli carved him.

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FF is the last person in the world who should be talking about coaches. Green Bay had the chief, cook and bottle washer of Idiots R Us coaching one of the best QBs ever for years, and have replaced him with the "Jake from State Farm" guy.

The Packers have zero players on their roster from their 2015 draft, which three years later should be their core. The are in the process of some bad records over the next couple/three seasons. Rodgers will always give them a chance to win, so unless he gets hurt I don't think they will see any 3 or 4 win seasons up there, but 7 or 8 is going to be the high water mark for them for at least the next two seasons, and by the time they are decent again Rodgers is going to be too old to do what he does.

It's the beginning of the end for the Packers. This is the Bears division for the next few seasons. If you can't handle this truth I'm smacking ya's around with, stay out of the Bears section.

You're looking at it wrong. As someone who has watched bad DCs for a decade, I know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two. Fangio to Pagano is a significant downgrade.

But you are correct in that we are replacing one of the worst coaches in the league with an unknown. I'm not terribly optimistic LeFleur has any clue what he's doing, but he's not going to be worse than McCarthy the last couple years.

Brees went 7-9 for three straight years from 2014-2016 and then got a defense and running game and now the Saints have been great the last couple years. Packers seem intent on following that blueprint. We'll see if it works.

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That's like being on the Patriots. Every DC looks good in Baltimore. Did you forget his time in Indy?


He was dying and everyone can't be the guy. Fangio sucked when he was asked to get 1 stop. Even Eli carved him.

Fangio has been a coach for three decades and has had awesome defenses everywhere he went for at least the last decade and you're using one game to say he isn't great? smh the old Nas was better at this

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That's like being on the Patriots. Every DC looks good in Baltimore. Did you forget his time in Indy?


He was dying and everyone can't be the guy. Fangio sucked when he was asked to get 1 stop. Even Eli carved him.

Fangio has been a coach for three decades and has had awesome defenses everywhere he went for at least the last decade and you're using one game to say he isn't great? smh the old Nas was better at this


I'm looking at a trend that started in Week 1. He couldn't get a stop when he needed to. It cost them a lot last year.

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That's like being on the Patriots. Every DC looks good in Baltimore. Did you forget his time in Indy?


He was dying and everyone can't be the guy. Fangio sucked when he was asked to get 1 stop. Even Eli carved him.

Fangio has been a coach for three decades and has had awesome defenses everywhere he went for at least the last decade and you're using one game to say he isn't great? smh the old Nas was better at this


I'm looking at a trend that started in Week 1. He couldn't get a stop when he needed to. It cost them a lot last year.

They had one of the best defenses of the last two decades and you're blaming Fangio for how their season went? That's clown status. Maybe have that stud QB of yours put up more than 15 points in a home playoff game next time.

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You're looking at it wrong. As someone who has watched bad DCs for a decade, I know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two. Fangio to Pagano is a significant downgrade.
No, you're looking at it wrong. Do you really think that Roquan, Mack, Floyd, Hicks and others are going to just "get bad" because the DC is different? Those are All Pro players and they are going to be beasts again all season (injuries excepted).

The Bears defense is still going to be really damn good regardless of who the DC is. Even as an "objective" observer, you have to agree with that.

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You're looking at it wrong. As someone who has watched bad DCs for a decade, I know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two. Fangio to Pagano is a significant downgrade.
No, you're looking at it wrong. Do you really think that Roquan, Mack, Floyd, Hicks and others are going to just "get bad" because the DC is different? Those are All Pro players and they are going to be beasts again all season (injuries excepted).

The Bears defense is still going to be really damn good regardless of who the DC is. Even as an "objective" observer, you have to agree with that.

Did I ever say the Bears defense was going to "get bad"? I said they are objectively worse, and they are. You have to agree with that. If they go from the best defense of the past 5 years to the 5th best defense in the NFL this year, a reasonable projection, that's a significant downgrade.

And I've been one of Floyd's biggest supporters here but did you just call him an All Pro? :lol: NME is gonna have a heart attack reading that

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true but if it is Nagy is an idiot. Buster Skrine let up a 110 QB rating last year when targeted. He was terrible by every way you can objectively evaluate a nickel CB.


except they were playing him outside

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true but if it is Nagy is an idiot. Buster Skrine let up a 110 QB rating last year when targeted. He was terrible by every way you can objectively evaluate a nickel CB.


except they were playing him outside

He played 60% of his snaps from the slot. Trumaine Johnson and that other guy covered the outside more than not.

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true .


let me ease your doubts on the truth telling:

The Chicago Bears appear set to add a new face to the mix in the secondary in former New York Jets cornerback Buster Skrine. When the Bears and Jets squared off during the regular season, head coach Matt Nagy had praise for Skrine and what he brings to the table as a nickelback.

"He’s one of the better nickels in this league, if not the best," Nagy said at the time, via Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times. "I mean, he’s good. He’s a good nickel in there."

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true .


let me ease your doubts on the truth telling:

The Chicago Bears appear set to add a new face to the mix in the secondary in former New York Jets cornerback Buster Skrine. When the Bears and Jets squared off during the regular season, head coach Matt Nagy had praise for Skrine and what he brings to the table as a nickelback.

"He’s one of the better nickels in this league, if not the best," Nagy said at the time, via Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times. "I mean, he’s good. He’s a good nickel in there."

Weird quote if Buster was playing on the outside

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Imagine thinking Buster Skrine is the best nickel CB in the league in a league where Chris Harris played slot last year. Y’all are in more trouble than I thought without Fangio.

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true .


let me ease your doubts on the truth telling:

The Chicago Bears appear set to add a new face to the mix in the secondary in former New York Jets cornerback Buster Skrine. When the Bears and Jets squared off during the regular season, head coach Matt Nagy had praise for Skrine and what he brings to the table as a nickelback.

"He’s one of the better nickels in this league, if not the best," Nagy said at the time, via Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times. "I mean, he’s good. He’s a good nickel in there."

Weird quote if Buster was playing on the outside


just say sorry and take the L on this one

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true .


let me ease your doubts on the truth telling:

The Chicago Bears appear set to add a new face to the mix in the secondary in former New York Jets cornerback Buster Skrine. When the Bears and Jets squared off during the regular season, head coach Matt Nagy had praise for Skrine and what he brings to the table as a nickelback.

"He’s one of the better nickels in this league, if not the best," Nagy said at the time, via Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times. "I mean, he’s good. He’s a good nickel in there."

Weird quote if Buster was playing on the outside


just say sorry and take the L on this one

I'll take the L on doubting the veracity of the quote if you'll take the L on Buster being an adequate Callahan replacement and playing on the outside last year. Something tells me that won't happen.

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Nagy said Skrine was the best nickel in the league. This was in the middle of the season while he still had Callahan on his roster.

I'm not sure that's true .


let me ease your doubts on the truth telling:

The Chicago Bears appear set to add a new face to the mix in the secondary in former New York Jets cornerback Buster Skrine. When the Bears and Jets squared off during the regular season, head coach Matt Nagy had praise for Skrine and what he brings to the table as a nickelback.

"He’s one of the better nickels in this league, if not the best," Nagy said at the time, via Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times. "I mean, he’s good. He’s a good nickel in there."

Weird quote if Buster was playing on the outside


just say sorry and take the L on this one

I'll take the L on doubting the veracity of the quote if you'll take the L on Buster being an adequate Callahan replacement and playing on the outside last year. Something tells me that won't happen.


You already conceded that he played at least (and probably more) than 40% on the outside.

As far as him being adequate, I'll trust my brilliant young head coach and GM opinion over mine as my observations of the Jets nickel situation is more limited than theirs. What I do know is that Callahan has missed 19 games in 4 years.

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The brilliant head coach who implied a corner who let up a 110 QB rating last year was better than Chris Harris? That one?

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I keep saying 110 Qb rating. My apologies. Buster allowed a 120+ Qb rating on targeted passes his way last year.

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I keep saying 110 Qb rating. My apologies. Buster allowed a 120+ Qb rating on targeted passes his way last year.


and what was it when he played the slot?

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I keep saying 110 Qb rating. My apologies. Buster allowed a 120+ Qb rating on targeted passes his way last year.


and what was it when he played the slot?

My guess is about 140

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That's like being on the Patriots. Every DC looks good in Baltimore. Did you forget his time in Indy?


He was dying and everyone can't be the guy. Fangio sucked when he was asked to get 1 stop. Even Eli carved him.

Fangio has been a coach for three decades and has had awesome defenses everywhere he went for at least the last decade and you're using one game to say he isn't great? smh the old Nas was better at this


I'm looking at a trend that started in Week 1. He couldn't get a stop when he needed to. It cost them a lot last year.

They had one of the best defenses of the last two decades and you're blaming Fangio for how their season went? That's clown status. Maybe have that stud QB of yours put up more than 15 points in a home playoff game next time.


I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

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That's like being on the Patriots. Every DC looks good in Baltimore. Did you forget his time in Indy?


He was dying and everyone can't be the guy. Fangio sucked when he was asked to get 1 stop. Even Eli carved him.

Fangio has been a coach for three decades and has had awesome defenses everywhere he went for at least the last decade and you're using one game to say he isn't great? smh the old Nas was better at this


I'm looking at a trend that started in Week 1. He couldn't get a stop when he needed to. It cost them a lot last year.

They had one of the best defenses of the last two decades and you're blaming Fangio for how their season went? That's clown status. Maybe have that stud QB of yours put up more than 15 points in a home playoff game next time.


I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

Defense got many stops. Maybe start looking at your stud QB and his 20th ranked offense. If you lose a game 16-15 in 2019 the defense probably wasn't the problem.

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I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

Defense got many stops. Maybe start looking at your stud QB and his 20th ranked offense. If you lose a game 16-15 in 2019 the defense probably wasn't the problem.


When you have a 1 or 2 touchdown lead in the 4th quarter (regardless of score) it's not too much to ask the great Fangio to not allow them to score a touchdown or multiple touchdowns.

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I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

Defense got many stops. Maybe start looking at your stud QB and his 20th ranked offense. If you lose a game 16-15 in 2019 the defense probably wasn't the problem.


When you have a 1 or 2 touchdown lead in the 4th quarter (regardless of score) it's not too much to ask the great Fangio to not allow them to score a touchdown or multiple touchdowns.

You paid Mack as much as a superstar QB. Maybe ask him to get a stop. Or was that one of those games where your best player wasn't in "game shape"?

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I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

Defense got many stops. Maybe start looking at your stud QB and his 20th ranked offense. If you lose a game 16-15 in 2019 the defense probably wasn't the problem.


When you have a 1 or 2 touchdown lead in the 4th quarter (regardless of score) it's not too much to ask the great Fangio to not allow them to score a touchdown or multiple touchdowns.

You paid Mack as much as a superstar QB. Maybe ask him to get a stop. Or was that one of those games where your best player wasn't in "game shape"?


He's doing what the coach asked him to do. He doesn't call the plays. In 80% of the games Fangio's play calling cost the Bears. Parkey's leg was only partially responsible for 2.

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I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

Defense got many stops. Maybe start looking at your stud QB and his 20th ranked offense. If you lose a game 16-15 in 2019 the defense probably wasn't the problem.


When you have a 1 or 2 touchdown lead in the 4th quarter (regardless of score) it's not too much to ask the great Fangio to not allow them to score a touchdown or multiple touchdowns.

You paid Mack as much as a superstar QB. Maybe ask him to get a stop. Or was that one of those games where your best player wasn't in "game shape"?


He's doing what the coach asked him to do. He doesn't call the plays. In 80% of the games Fangio's play calling cost the Bears. Parkey's leg was only partially responsible for 2.

Fangio told Mack to be useless on key drives? I have my doubts on that one.

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I'm saying something that is a fact. Fangio struggled getting 1 stop. That was true in 4 of the 5 Bears losses last year.

Defense got many stops. Maybe start looking at your stud QB and his 20th ranked offense. If you lose a game 16-15 in 2019 the defense probably wasn't the problem.


When you have a 1 or 2 touchdown lead in the 4th quarter (regardless of score) it's not too much to ask the great Fangio to not allow them to score a touchdown or multiple touchdowns.

You paid Mack as much as a superstar QB. Maybe ask him to get a stop. Or was that one of those games where your best player wasn't in "game shape"?


He's doing what the coach asked him to do. He doesn't call the plays. In 80% of the games Fangio's play calling cost the Bears. Parkey's leg was only partially responsible for 2.

Fangio told Mack to be useless on key drives? I have my doubts on that one.


Fangio is the LeBron of defensive coordinators. Great for about 3 quarters and then he chokes in the 4th.

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Parkey's leg was only partially responsible for 2.
So half their losses.

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Fangio is the LeBron of defensive coordinators. Great for about 3 quarters and then he chokes in the 4th.

My guess is that the Bears look like a lot of LeBron teams look the year after he left.

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 Post subject: Re: Packers Week
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Parkey's leg was only partially responsible for 2.
So half their losses.


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