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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:21 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:21 pm

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We saw a Mack-less Bears defense in the middle of last year for two games and they allowed a grand total of 19 points.

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Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:22 pm

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Please don't cite fa g/nerd/stat football blogs on this board. It was a top 10 D in 2017

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:24 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

Dudes on D are gonna need/get new paper and Mitch is gonna get $100M. Before you know it the defense is gonna become dogshit with exits via free agency and no draft picks to reload.

It's better to just blow it all up and re-start from scratch. Time to sell high on Mack/Hicks/Roquan

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

Please don't cite fa g/nerd/stat football blogs on this board. It was a top 10 D in 2017

Nope

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Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

Yup. Irreparable situation

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Tall Midget

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:26 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

We saw a Mack-less Bears defense in the middle of last year for two games and they allowed a grand total of 19 points.

So you think the Bears were a playoff team without Mack?

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Caller Bob

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:27 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

lol, ok kirkmike

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:29 pm

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Tall Midget wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

We saw a Mack-less Bears defense in the middle of last year for two games and they allowed a grand total of 19 points.

So you think the Bears were a playoff team without Mack?

GIven everything that happened last year, yes I think it would have been quite possible for the Bears to have gone 10-6 without Mack.

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Tall Midget

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:33 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

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FavreFan's valid point aside, a top 10 defense is not a great defense.

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rogar6

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:30 pm

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To practically guarantee a deep playoff run, hypothetically, is there any team with a top 10 or QB that would trade for Mack?

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:46 pm

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Tall Midget wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

We saw a Mack-less Bears defense in the middle of last year for two games and they allowed a grand total of 19 points.

So you think the Bears were a playoff team without Mack?

Strawman

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NME

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:01 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

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In 2017 the Bears defense was..

9th in scoring defense
7th in sacks (3 way tie)
11th against the run
7th against the pass
And Top 10 in overall defense..

Not sure what your source is basing their numbers on, but according to NFL.com that's where the Bears ranked in defense in those areas.

And lets keep in mind how awful the Bears offense was that year too and their defense still help up well.

It was a top-10 defense.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:05 pm

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NME wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

As of today, it appears that the only thing keeping Pace from the unemployment line is the sheer stupidity of the Oakland Raiders.

He's put together a great defense. Roquan looks like a future HoFer.

The defense is great because of Mack.

It was top 10 before Mack arrived.

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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa- ... oa-ratings

Didn't have Roquan.

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NME

Post subject: Re: Ryan Pace After Week 1

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:21 pm

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Nas wrote:

Didn't have Roquan.

That’s correct, the 2017 defense did not.

I agree with TM tho that a top-10 defense isn’t automatically ‘great’. But I would say that 2017 defense was good, but it didn’t get much support at all from the offense.

I think they were low on turnovers too that year if memory serves..

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