No. His Head Coach sucks.

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Not sure Eli knows where he is.

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Eli is a certainly a HOF'er. His durability and the massive accumulated stats aside, the 2 Super Bowl runs and Super Bowl MVP's really make this a no-brainer. Was he ever in the top echelon of QB's at any time? Arguably maybe for a couple years he was borderline top-5 but generally speaking no. But he was a great team player, always criticisms from teammates, fans and media roll off his back with class and he should retire as a Giant at the end of this season. Him going to another team at this point would be a bad decision for him and for the team that would trade for him. Playing his whole career as a Giant and spending the rest of this season helping Daniel Jones not get killed in the same way Kurt Warner helped him would be the perfect end to his career.

This would mean he falls short of being a HOF'er.

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His super bowl success and massive accumulation of stats would indicate he certainly is a HOF’er.

Let’s be clear. His stats are meaningless. Stafford will have beaten him in every counting stat across the board by the time he retires. The case for him is a simple one: two SB wins. If you think every QB who wins two SBs should get in then you think he should get in. There’s nothing else that amplifies his resume. His stats are completely ordinary, at best.

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You can't ignore the MVP awards or the opponent.

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Yes I can. You don’t get a bigger trophy for beating the Patriots.

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Maybe you should.

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It counts more. The MVP awards prove that he wasn't just a guy along for the ride.

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I don't think anyone is saying he was "just a guy along for the ride."

The debate is if Eli his a HOF QB or not.

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If he didn't beat the GOAT twice in the SB and win the MVP award twice I would say no. Doing that in New York gets him in.

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I’m saying he was along for the ride. If that’s not true, did he simply forget how to play good football the other 14 years of his career? HOF QBs don’t miss the postseason more than they make the postseason. That seems like an easy disqualifier.

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Now that is the other extreme. He wasn't "bad" the other years of his career, at least not all of them. As he aged he declined. But he was a good QB for quite a while. Never elite, never top 5, so not a HOF'er, but he wasn't a scrub either.


Where he plays doesn't matter, Nas. Its the same rules and same size football field in the Meadowlands/MetLife Stadium as it is at Arrowhead and Lambeau.

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He performed at an elite level on the biggest stage multiple times. IIRC he did it both times playing every game on the road. That gets you a seat at the table.

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Nope. This is the Hall of Fame. There are standards. “He played well in 6 games out of 200” does not meet that standard.

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So Nick Foles is a SB win away from HoF status?

No doubt he was great for 7-8 playoff games in his career. Those were definitely special. But Flacco had a run like that too, and (provided he stays healthy) Matthew Stafford is going to surpass Eli's stats.

Hall of Very Good.

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Why did the Giants go 6-10 so often with a good QB? Fact is when Eli didn’t have an absolutely loaded defensive front 7 to carry him he never did a goddamn thing that mattered in the NFL. You shouldn’t get to the HOF for being Trent Dilfer twice.

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Sounds like it

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He was a top 10 to 15 quarterback for most of his career and possibly close to top 5 for a couple.

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The Packers were 6-9-1 last season and 7-9 the season before that. Is that a knock on Aaron Rodgers, or his overall team?

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We’re gonna need a bigger HOF my friend

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Last season is absolutely on Rodgers more than anyone else except for maybe McCarthy. I generally don’t blame injured players for their healthy teammates losing games so I can’t fault him for 2017.

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Dilfer was along for the ride. Eli won those games. Prior to the past few seasons he didn't suck either. Dilfer was a journeyman who sucked most of his career.

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Eli is a journeyman at heart. It’s not his fault the Giants kept him 7 years longer than they should have.

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He found a way to win more SB and deliver in the playoffs unlike players who were better. Eli gets in over Rivers.

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I’m fine with Eli getting in over Rivers, though neither one deserves it. But there will never be any doubt from those who watched both their entire careers who the better player was between Rivers and Eli.

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We judge greats by jewelry. It's why Marino isn't mentioned when talking about the greatest quarterbacks.

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Eli deserves it despite being a worse player than MANY others who don't deserve it. That doesn't necessarily make sense I know, but we all knows it's true.