ONLY the front office, coaching staff, farm system and major league rosters. Also you'd get the Cubs payroll. But you'd inherit none of the pathetic identity of being a Cubs fan. Obviously if being a Cubs fan were on the table we'd all vomit at the thought even if the Cubs had 25 Mike Trout's.



It is actually quite the decision. The Sox front office and coaching staff are utterly trash and grossly incompetent. But this coming wave of young players and massive payroll flexibility is among the best in the league.

Moncada, Eloy and Giolito are already producing at elite levels and Robert isn't just one of the all time most exciting Sox prospects, he's got maybe the highest ceiling of anyone in the game. Its rounded out by Kopech, Vaughn and Madrigal who all look quite promising and the hope that Rey Lopez and Cease can make adjustments in 2020 to each become solid regulars. To say nothing of McCann, Anderson, Colome and Bummer who all looked great this year. And there is plenty of payroll to make sure nobody gets away or a big addition can be made.

Would you really give all that up just to get rid of Hahn and Renteria?

It is not quite the decision. The answer for me is very simple; No, never.

I've stuck with the White Sox this long. Between their shit W-L and the Cubs success over the last few years, its almost impossible for it to get worse as a Sox fan (UNLESS they MOVE to LAS veg...FARGO?????!). There is no way I would jump ship now. I would jump off the Sears Tower before I jump on the Cubs bandwagon.

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Yes just for having an owner who seems to give a shit.

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How could the front off be that incompetent if they traded for and drafted all the talent? That makes no sense.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

yep

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I don't see any reason to get rid of Hahn. Looks at the good young players he got in the Eaton, Sale, and Q trades. HE or at least someone in the organization has set up a damned good feeding ground in the DR, Cuba, and South America which is already paying some big dividends.

Hahn can only do so much with the shekels that Reinsdork gives him to play with. I think that we need to remember that.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

At least the Cubs sign pitchers. That's an important first step.

Hahn has been more successful in trading for other teams' minor league talent than in developing draft picks selected by the Sox. Who does the minor league evaluations for trades? Didn't the Sox change minor league directors fairly recently?

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He is not asking you to jump on Cubs bandwagon.

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There's a lot of indication they just go off top 100 lists from Baseball America, Fangraphs etc.

I have on decent authority the Braves offered Acuna and Albies for Sale. At the time most scouting departments probably had Acuna over Moncada (Albies and Kopech were about the same) but the general public really hadn't been made totally aware of how much Acuna's stock had gone up until around Spring Training. Its fine now because Moncada has turned out to be every bit as good as Acuna... and while it sucks Kopech is hurt I like our 2b option every bit as much as I like Albies. I'm pretty out of the loop on account of being on the other side of the world, but is just me piecing together what I know with what I suspect.

I don't think the Sox trust themselves to scout trade targets.

Also they gave up way way way too much for Blake Rutherford. That too wound up being a good trade since Kahnle basically died the instant he got to New York, but inside baseball he had lost a ton of hype while he was almost top-25 on many lists.

I actually really like Rutherford so this again worked out in their favour, though almost by accident.

I think you would have to take the Cubs. Bryant, Rizzo, Contreras, Baez, and to a lesser extent Schwarber are all all-star level guys. The Sox might have a similar collection of players in about two years, but it is far from a guarantee.

Don’t you think anybody could have received the return he got, or even more? Do you think Hahn is the only one who could have traded Chris Sale for Yoan Moncada and a broken pitcher?

I'd say that next year the Sox will have Moncada, Anderson, Abreu, and Jimenez as well as Giolito as all-stars along with the possibility of McCann. In other words, I'd say it is pretty even and with Robert in the pipeline for next season along with Madrigal and Vaughn in a couple of years, the Sox are well positioned for an extended run at championship competition. It all, however, depends on them getting some decent help in the starting pitching category.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Anybody? Nope. Look, I was royally pissed off when they traded CHris Sale but I'd say that right now a Moncada for Chris Sale trade even up wouldn't fly with me because Moncada is a legit star in the AL. As for Kopech being a broken pitcher, that sure wasn't true when they made the trade now, was it? Not too many prospects in my lifetime were throwing 100-103 regularly when they came up to the majors. IF and I say IF Kopech returns healthy and they can convince him to throw at a 90% velocity, the kid has a chance to be an awesome pitcher either as a starter or a closer. I view him as the gravy of that trade with Moncada being the meat and potatoes.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

To each his own. I think Hawk Harrelson could have picked up more than this. They had Acuna and Albies on the table. They had other trades.

I wouldn’t declare Moncada a star yet. Let’s let him make one all star game. We still don’t know who he is. This may be the real version of him.

As far as Kopech as soon as I read that he wanted to throw 115mph I knew he was going to get himself hurt.

Moncada is a star and I do know who and what he is. He is a five tool player who has thrived since moving to 3rd base. As for Kopech, I have the same concerns about him but like I said, he is gravy because right now Moncada is maybe even ahead of Sale as a baseball commodity. You mentioned having Acuna and Albies on the table. So what? There would be a price tag on them if they traded for them. Hahn is faced with having a tight budget due to their miser owner. Boston got a terrific pitcher and gave up two great prospects. They don't win a World Series without Sale so they rolled the dice and both teams won methinks.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Never

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The thing about the Sale trade is its not really hard to just pick the best deal offered when literally every team in baseball would kill for the player you've got on the block. Same goes for the Eaton trade.

He did make the right call waiting until the deadline to deal Quintana. I have to give him credit there, I thought that was an absolutely retarded idea but hey it worked. I suspect it may have worked because the Cubs got overly desperate but it worked nonetheless.

In any case the real crux of this debate between Sox and Cubs lies on what you think you can get for Kris Bryant in a trade and what you think Robert will be like in the majors. If you think Robert is going to reach his potential then you have to take the Sox. If you're not certain he is then its more complicated.

No shit. Every year it's another high pick and another busted draft choice. Fulmer, Collins, Burdi, Burger. It's worse than when Kenny took a wide receiver or a quarterback every year. At least those guys looked good in the uniform.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don