And ever since then Clark has been driven over more than asphalt while Daniels has gotten incrementally better. It was his first game at a new position and really the only times Clark looked as good as you wish he actually was were just moments when Daniels utterly blew his assignment and left Clark in free space totally unblocked.

Him knowing where to be and what do is actually a positive development that can be taken into account regardless of opponent. I mean, your elite version of Khalil Mack wasn't even good enough to stick around on these Redskins...what does that say?

Let’s be clear. He didn’t blow his assignment and if you think he did you fundamentally don’t understand the sport you are discussing. Clark got by him play after play one on one, all game long, on both pass and run plays.

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Clark has literally one bad game this season, against Jason Kelce, and you think him and Daniels are comparable. If you’re shitting out these kind of opinions it’s gonna be hard to take you seriously when you criticize my bias of GB players. Daniels has been awful all year long.

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I think having a few games experience under his belt would result in a different outcome next go around. Or maybe the Bears are just dogshit and we dont know it yet, have to see us take care of Minnesota before I make any grand proclamations about how great the Bears are this season.

All I know is your boy Kenny Clark isn't really a starting caliber NT anymore unless you want to give up a few hundred ground yards every week.

The Broncos bulldozed him and I watched the whole thing live. He didn't look great against Minnesota either.

Simply nonsense in both cases. He was excellent against Minnesota. The outside zone rushes weren’t his fault at all.

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How was he excellent? Did he play a high % of third down snaps? Because so far your insistence that Kenny Clark has basically hinged on a few cherry picked stats and not anything quantifiable on the field.

He literally wouldn't make the Bears roster. They'd cut his ass to save money.

A strip sack and another 3rd down tackle for a loss is a pretty excellent game for a NT.

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Getting a sack every other week does not really offset getting blown off the LOS to the point where he's now getting benched on obvious running downs.

Clark has never been benched and teams have run against the Packers to the outside primarily. Clark’s had some bad plays, and had a bad game against the Eagles, but if you honestly think he’s been bad this year you simply don’t know what you are watching. He’s a big reason GB is 2-0 against the Bears and Vikings so far.

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Look I was calling him soft before this game even. Then he turned around and got absolutely owned right away. You think its gonna get better next week against the Cowboys?

Yeah, I do. Fredrick isn’t Kelce.

I think it will play out similar to the Vikings game. Green Bay will win if they let Zeke run, beat Dak, and score a few touchdowns.

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I’m not writing him off yet, but he isn’t doing anything this year so far. What body of evidence right now can you present that shows him as an ‘elite route runner’ as a pro?

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He's open all the fucking time. But since he's never the first read Mitch seldom even looks his way. I think the coaches are aware the a guy with Miller's frame is not a good fit with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky since you need guys like Robinson who can just hoover anything as long as its near them.

Many people I trust say he is and when I watched last year he had a lot of separation more often than not.

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I’ll allow for Miller.. but Pace has been here for years swinging and missing bigly on draft picks, so I’m not backing off on him. He’s inconsistent with the draft at best after years now of doing it. He’s hit too on guys like EJ, Smith, and Cohen, but there’s some costly misses -Trubisky, sadly, might be the most damning and may wind up hurting the team over time. We’ll see on that tho.


I don’t hate Pace and what he’s done before you go there, he deserves credit for helping build a playoff team. However, he has some big shortcomings too that a playoff team does not absolve him of.

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There is a strong argument that he is worth more to the Bears in a trade than he is on the field with this particular quarterback. He does a lot of the little things really well but he's a goddamn wide receiver, if he isn't catching balls something's wrong. Of course there's no real indication the Bears are even slightly willing to trade and him now that Ramsey is basically back off the market there's nobody even out there you'd go out of your way to go get.

The draft is hard. Outside of the Cowboys more teams have missed than hit on their first round picks over the last 10 years. Building a 12 win team with a below average QB is hard to do. Obviously Pace is to blame for the below average QB but he’s done a solid job so far. Forget 1.000, no NFL GM even bats .600 on their moves. There will be some swings and misses.

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His production doesn’t support it, but it is early so this is a bit unfair on my end. I hope he pans out and really is as elite as I keep hearing/reading he is. The results need to start justifying the comments tho.


I read/saw the same things about Allen Robinson, and he’s out there on a weekly basis catching passes and proving it. He looked good last year too imo coming off a major knee surgery and not having played for a year.

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Agreed to an extent. But some misses are bigger than others. Especially when you’re trading up to miss.

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More often than not WRs take time. Davante Adams was considered a bust after his second season. Many others like him.

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Yeah that’s tough. Imo it’s shortsighted if that costs Pace his job though.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is the ugly miss. Even Kevin White can be excused since Pace didn't have a full scouting season and just in general shitty picks like that just happen.

The rest of the picks have been pretty damn solid. His first draft was by far his weakest and he still found Amos and Goldman in it. His first round picks aside from White and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky are both definite hits. Take a look at the 2016 draft, is there anyone taken after Floyd you'd rather have? Not until Jaylon Smith in the second round. Probably could've claimed Keanu Neal but that's definitively over now.

He just missed Mahomes sitting right there in front of his fucking face. It must torture him. Normally I'd be willing to can him over it but he's been so good otherwise I dont think we could find a replacement nearly as reliable as Pace has been. I also dont hold the trade-up against him, you do what you gotta do. He got stuck with Kevin White because he was too shy to trade up for Leonard Williams.

I'm fairly certain they didn't even scout Mahomes and decided early on that they preferred (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to Watson and from then on it was just a matter of making sure they could get their man.

I like Floyd but Keanu Neal and William Jackson are the answers to your question America.

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An ACL and now an achilles. Poor fella.

Maybe worth mention KC has been better than floyd to date as well

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Right. But it’s a process vs results thing. You can’t predict those injuries, especially for a guy like Neal where that wasn’t a concern.

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