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I guess that's kind of why being insecure in many of the essential things is a hard lot in life.


This is a conversation I've had with my wife on occasion. She's a person who has always done everything "right". Whatever privilege she has had, she's always worked hard and made the most of it. That's just who she is. Me, on the other hand, I've always worked the margins. My whole life is looking for shortcuts. On occasion it's worked spectacularly. Sometimes it hasn't worked quite that well. There have been times in my life when I've been way down. When I've had to make the choice between paying the electric bill or buying a new tire. That's something most people I associate with regularly have never had to face. So it's easy for them to judge or have contempt, like "how did you get yourself in such a position?" My wife couldn't even imagine living like that.

And as all that pertains to this issue, if I have a book that is coming due, I just go online and extend it. I'm sure there are people who don't have smartphones or computers to do that.

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Think of all the Library Policemen out of work now!


You know it's weird that you mention this. When I lived in Chicago and was checking a book out of the library, I found a book that was incorrectly shelved. I thought about how terrible that could have been that in theory because the book was shelved incorrectly it might never be checked out or read again. So I inquired about volunteering at the library in some capacity to shelve books or manually walk the shelves to identify incorrectly shelved books.

I was told that volunteering for such a position isn't allowed due to union rules/contracts. Look, I'm not a super pro or anti union guy, but I thought it was disheartening that someone can't volunteer at the library for certain things because of union rules. I mean maybe the guy I talked to was just bullshitting me and wanted to get rid of me (a possibility), but I didn't get that vibe.

Why not just walk the shelves anyway? How would they know that you are secretly "volunteering"?

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The library is saying most Chicagoans taking books out are too stupid and undisciplined to look at the due date . Either bring it back or extend it. So fuck it.


That's your takeaway from this?

I think most library users are extremely conscientious and respectful of the process that makes a library work. It's pretty simple, you borrow and then return, I think the overwhelming majority of library patrons respect this system and make all efforts to abide by it. I think the best evidence of this would be to walk the stacks at the Harold Washington Library, there are a lot of books there that have been checked out millions of times, and have been returned millions of times.

I think what the policy says is that the segment of the Chicago population that benefits most from library services are low income people. These low income people are a population that is disproportionately impacted by things like: job insecurity, transportation insecurity, child care insecurity, housing insecurity, etc. These are things that easily could cause returning a book on time to be missed, which results in fines. These low income people are going to be least likely to have the money to pay the fines, and thus they are locked out of the library system. So the prior fine system was essentially locking out the Chicago citizens who most needed to use the library and benefits from its resources.

The library is saying no longer will we prohibit low income people from drinking from the knowledge and wisdom of books simply because they are economically disadvantaged compared to other library users.


Cry more. Walk to the library and return the fucking book. :lol:

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The library is saying most Chicagoans taking books out are too stupid and undisciplined to look at the due date . Either bring it back or extend it. So fuck it.


That's your takeaway from this?

I think most library users are extremely conscientious and respectful of the process that makes a library work. It's pretty simple, you borrow and then return, I think the overwhelming majority of library patrons respect this system and make all efforts to abide by it. I think the best evidence of this would be to walk the stacks at the Harold Washington Library, there are a lot of books there that have been checked out millions of times, and have been returned millions of times.

I think what the policy says is that the segment of the Chicago population that benefits most from library services are low income people. These low income people are a population that is disproportionately impacted by things like: job insecurity, transportation insecurity, child care insecurity, housing insecurity, etc. These are things that easily could cause returning a book on time to be missed, which results in fines. These low income people are going to be least likely to have the money to pay the fines, and thus they are locked out of the library system. So the prior fine system was essentially locking out the Chicago citizens who most needed to use the library and benefits from its resources.

The library is saying no longer will we prohibit low income people from drinking from the knowledge and wisdom of books simply because they are economically disadvantaged compared to other library users.


Cry more. Walk to the library and return the fucking book. :lol:

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I thought about how terrible that could have been that in theory because the book was shelved incorrectly it might never be checked out or read again.


What a strange thing to think--and then say.

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I thought about how terrible that could have been that in theory because the book was shelved incorrectly it might never be checked out or read again.


What a strange thing to think--and then say.

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I once found some weed I the little sharing library across the street from me. A little ditchy, but free.

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I once found some weed I the little sharing library across the street from me. A little ditchy, but free.


I'm gonna check it out when I ride by tomorrow morning! Maybe drop off my copy of Rules For Radicals too.

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I found this in there a couple weeks ago. I'll put it back in there tonight if you want to check it out tomorrow.

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(Curious Hair would love this book.)

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I probably would! I'm gonna find the list and see how many of the songs I love.

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Is "Seasons In The Sun" in there?

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It's weird how that song "I Hate Myself (And Everyone Else)" doesn't even sound depressing.


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Yeah, top three. I like the Jacques Brel version but I've actually never heard it in English. The original is so jaunty.

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Is "Seasons In The Sun" in there?

Yup.

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I probably would! I'm gonna find the list and see how many of the songs I love.


An aside: wouldn't "Girlfriend in a Coma" make a great mesothelioma lawsuit jingle?

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List goes heavier on MOR than I would have expected: I saw Streisand, Gordon Lightfoot, and Dan Fogelberg all on there. "Brick" by Ben Folds Five was a great call, though. I was expecting "Famous Blue Raincoat" and "How To Disappear Completely."

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An aside: wouldn't "Girlfriend in a Coma" make a great mesothelioma lawsuit jingle?

:lol: "I Won't Share You" for Father's Rights Attorney Jeffrey Leving can't be far behind.

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List goes heavier on MOR than I would have expected: I saw Streisand, Gordon Lightfoot, and Dan Fogelberg all on there. "Brick" by Ben Folds Five was a great call, though. I was expecting "Famous Blue Raincoat" and "How To Disappear Completely."


Slaughter's "Fly to the Angels" would fit in there somewhere nicely.

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but as someone who actually uses the Library


You're the misogynist who checked out the book on Josh Gibson!!!!

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1. 'Happy Birthday To You' - Patty and Mildred Hill
2. 'The Shortest Story' - Harry Chapin
3. 'Honey' - Bobby Goldsboro
4. 'Total Eclipse of the Heart' - Bonnie Tyler
5. 'Seasons in the Sun' - Terry Jacks
6. 'DOA' - Bloodrock
7. 'Strange Fruit' - Billie Holiday
8. 'Hurt' - Nine Inch Nails
9. ' Sister Morphine' - Marianne Faithfull
10. 'People Who Died' - The Jim Carroll Band
11. 'One' - Metallica
12. Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town' - Kenny Rogers & the First Edition
13. 'Brick' - Ben Folds Five
14. 'Comfortably Numb' - Pink Floyd
15. 'Maggie's Dream' - Don Williams
16. 'The Rose' - Bette Midler
17. 'The Freshmen' - The Verve Pipe
18. 'Prayers for Rain' - The Cure
19. 'Women's Prison' - Loretta Lynn
20. 'All By Myself' - Celine Dion
21. 'Tell Laura I Love Her' - Ray Peterson
22. 'The River' - Bruce Springsteen
23. 'You Don't Bring Me Flowers' - Barbra Streisand & Neil Diamond
24. 'My Immortal' - Evanescence
25. 'Sam Stone' - John Prine
26. 'In The Air Tonight' - Phil Collins
27. 'MacArthur Park' - Richard Harris
28. 'Round Here' - Counting Crows
29. 'I Will Always Love You' - Whitney Houston
30. 'The End' - The Doors
31. 'Last Kiss' - J. Frank Wilson & the Cavaliers
32. 'Mandy' - Barry Manilow
33. 'Don't Cry Out Loud' - Melissa Manchester
34. 'Goodbye to Love' - The Carpenters
35. 'Beth' - Kiss
36. 'At Seventeen' - Janis Ian
37. 'Let Her Cry' - Hootie & the Blowfish
38. 'Alone Again (Naturally)' - Gilbert O'Sullivan
39. 'It Must Be Him' - Vicki Carr
40. 'Without You' - Mariah Carey
41. 'Send in the Clowns' - Judy Collins
42. 'In the Year 2525 (Exordium And Terminus)' - Zager & Evans
43. 'The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald' - Gordon Lightfoot
44. 'Sylvia's Mother' - Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show
45. 'Indiana Wants Me' - R. Dean Taylor
46. 'Captain Jack' - Billy Joel
47. 'Lucky Man' - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
48. 'Landslide' - The Smashing Pumpkins
49. 'Teen Angel' - Mark Dinning
50. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' - Joy Division
51. 'Artificial Flowers' - Bobby Darin
52. 'Same Old Lang Syne' - Dan Fogelberg


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Where is "Shannon" by Henry Gross, dammit?!

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Why?

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Sure, "The River" is pretty bleak, but "Downbound Train" makes me wanna not be alive. Great song, though.


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Think of all the Library Policemen out of work now!


You know it's weird that you mention this. When I lived in Chicago and was checking a book out of the library, I found a book that was incorrectly shelved. I thought about how terrible that could have been that in theory because the book was shelved incorrectly it might never be checked out or read again. So I inquired about volunteering at the library in some capacity to shelve books or manually walk the shelves to identify incorrectly shelved books.

I was told that volunteering for such a position isn't allowed due to union rules/contracts. Look, I'm not a super pro or anti union guy, but I thought it was disheartening that someone can't volunteer at the library for certain things because of union rules. I mean maybe the guy I talked to was just bullshitting me and wanted to get rid of me (a possibility), but I didn't get that vibe.

Why not just walk the shelves anyway? How would they know that you are secretly "volunteering"?


Thought about it but I was hoping there was a program or some instructions on how to do so. I didn’t want to be pulling a bunch of books in error. Although I guess I probably could have just looked for obvious wrongly shelved books and pulled them. Probably should have done that.


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I am amazed libraries are still a thing

Why?


I think few people know all of the resources the library has for use by the public.

For instance, with my Houston Library card in get free in home access to Morningstar and Value Line. That is about $1,000 or so of pretty nice investing resources for absolutely nothing.


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Dewey was a bad guy. Don't support his system.

I hate reading. I'm not good at it. I've done more reading in the last 7 weeks than I have in the last 7 years. I don't think I've read a book or novel in over 3 years. It sucks.


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Where is "Shannon" by Henry Gross, dammit?!

Sounds like the Bee-Gees doing a yacht-rock ballad.

https://youtu.be/welpmjkW4-o


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Dewey's been out forever, it's mostly Library of Congress classifications.


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Furious Styles wrote:
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I am amazed libraries are still a thing

Why?

It was a joke.

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