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You can go back and read my thoughts but I knew the Raiders would turn it around quicker than expected. Gruden knows what he is doing.


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the new narrative is that Mack did not want to play for Gruden.

The narrative should be that Mack doesn't want to play when Gruden is in the same stadium, based on his effort yesterday.

Raiders offense thought it was a walk-through. Show up and score points.

Very true. Gruden demands excellence. Mack would be in shape if Gruden was running the show. Put down the donut and knock on wood if you're with Gruden


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There's no doubt Nagy is a softcunt but your coach clearly lives in mortal fear of his QB.


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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

If they are trying to win now then trading Mack was pretty dumb.

Not at all. Purging the roster of deadbeats from the Reggie McKenzie era was year 1. Use draft picks and cap space to stock the roster, just like they will do this year.

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:lol: :lol: Deadbeats!

Because the RAIDERS always acquire high character men like Brown and Burfect...

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Deadbeats from a football players perspective. Talentless turds, if you will.

That name you are struggling with is spelled B-U-R-F-I-C-T, ol' Hawkeroo.

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Furious Styles wrote:
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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

If they are trying to win now then trading Mack was pretty dumb.

Not at all. Purging the roster of deadbeats from the Reggie McKenzie era was year 1. Use draft picks and cap space to stock the roster, just like they will do this year.

Mate, your starting qb is who??


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Drafted by?


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Carr and Mack literally fell into McKenzie's lap.

McKenzie gets credit for Gabe Jackson, some UDFAs and demonstrating austerity in free agency.

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Deadbeats from a football players perspective. Talentless turds, if you will.
So you think Khalil Mack is a talentless turd?

Goodness.

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Carr and Mack literally fell into McKenzie's lap.

McKenzie gets credit for Gabe Jackson, some UDFAs and demonstrating austerity in free agency.

You're being silly.


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Carr and Mack literally fell into McKenzie's lap.

McKenzie gets credit for Gabe Jackson, some UDFAs and demonstrating austerity in free agency.

You're being silly.

How so?

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Deadbeats from a football players perspective. Talentless turds, if you will.
So you think Khalil Mack is a talentless turd?

Goodness.

Frank moving the goalposts again.

At least you spelled Mack correctly.

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This idea that you had to clear out the Reggie McKenzie players to be good when your QB and unquestioned team leader is a Reggie McKenzie pick.


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It wasn't an "idea." He drafted horribly, especially in rounds 2-4. It's fairly common knowledge.

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It wasn't an "idea." He drafted horribly, especially in rounds 2-4. It's fairly common knowledge.

He still found the QB. I'd kill for Derek Carr.


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It wasn't an "idea." He drafted horribly, especially in rounds 2-4. It's fairly common knowledge.

He still found the QB. I'd kill for Derek Carr.

Browns owner wanted Manziel. Fell, not found.

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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

If they are trying to win now then trading Mack was pretty dumb.

Not at all. Purging the roster of deadbeats from the Reggie McKenzie era was year 1. Use draft picks and cap space to stock the roster, just like they will do this year.

Thanks for Mack. You can purge us some other great players if you want.

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Could say the same about Mahomes. Give credit where it's due Caller Bob.


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Could say the same about Mahomes. Give credit where it's due attractive lady.

Familiarize yourself with McKenzie's draft record.

He's being credited accordingly.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

If they are trying to win now then trading Mack was pretty dumb.

Not at all. Purging the roster of deadbeats from the Reggie McKenzie era was year 1. Use draft picks and cap space to stock the roster, just like they will do this year.

Thanks for Mack. You can purge us some other great players if you want.

Frank already went that route. Try to keep up.

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Furious Styles wrote:
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If they are trying to win now then trading Mack was pretty dumb.
Not at all. Purging the roster of deadbeats from the Reggie McKenzie era was year 1.


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Deadbeats from a football players perspective. Talentless turds, if you will.
So you think Khalil Mack is a talentless turd?

Goodness.
Frank moving the goalposts again.
I used your own words, yet moved the goalposts?

Ok then.

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:lol: If you want me to put a finer point on it, your logical fallacy was a strawman argument, Frank.

Ponder that shit.

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Ok then.

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Then you really are moron.

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Can we get back to talking about how Mack is overrated and got completely tossed around by Oakland?

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Dan Orlovsky says Bears should trade Khalil Mack
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NBC Sports ChicagoNovember 5, 2019, 10:13 PM CST

What if I told you at the beginning of this season that there'd actually be a discussion about whether the Bears should trade Khalil Mack for multiple first-round picks entering Week 10? You'd probably call me crazy. Maybe something even worse. But that discussion occurred Tuesday on Kap and Company on ESPN1000.

ESPN NFL analyst Dan Orlovsky was asked if he'd consider dealing Mack to a team willing to part with a pair of golden first-rounders for his services. His answer was thought-provoking, to say the least. According to Orlovsky, Mack's impact on opposing offenses has been lessened because of the NFL's quick-hitting passing game. He'd trade him.

"I'm such a person on building the interior of lines, and the game that the NFL is nowadays, I think Khalil Mack is a ridiculously good football player," Orlovsky said. "I don't need to tell anybody that. The ball comes out really quickly nowadays. The last four years I've said, give me interior people before edges and that's on both sides of the ball. Give me a really good center and really good guard more than really good tackle nowadays in the NFL. Teams aren't dropping back in condenses space and doing seven-step drops and holding the ball for four seconds like they used to and give me guys who can get the interior pressure more than the edge pressure because the ball comes out of the quarterback's hands so quickly nowadays."

Put another way, players like Aaron Donald are much more valuable than Mack, in Orlovsky's opinion, because of their ability to disrupt the pocket immediately after the snap as opposed to an edge defender who needs a least a few seconds to turn the corner and reach the quarterback.

There's a lot of truth to that theory. But Orlovsky is overlooking the impact Mack has beyond just the stats. His sack totals may dip over time because of how offenses are evolving, but he'll always command double and triple teams which, by default, makes it easier for players like Akiem Hicks and Eddie Goldman to do their job. And if we look at the last four seasons of Mack's production, which is the range of time Orlovsky suggested he's championed this theory, his argument doesn't hold up. Mack has 49 sacks over that span.

Offenses can evolve. Quarterbacks can get rid of the ball much quicker. And Mack will still eat.

Generational talents like Mack should never -- ever -- be traded. That's why the Raiders were mocked when they got rid of him last offseason. Sure, the Raiders are in the process of flipping that trade into some legitimate talent (namely running back Josh Jacobs), but they'll never truly replace Mack. In fact, we could go through a decade of NFL draft cycles before the next Mack comes along.

Draft picks can be overvalued sometimes. Especially when they're used as bait for a proven Hall-of-Fame talent like Mack. General managers swing and miss, year after year, on first-round picks. Bears fans are all too used to this since 2015, when Ryan Pace has used his first-round picks on Kevin White, Leonard Floyd, Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Roquan Smith. Chicago will be lucky if just one of them (Smith) ends up being a long-term impact player.

Is there any reason to feel confident in Pace's ability, based on his track record, to flip Mack into two really good players? The answer is no.

And let's not act like this Bears team is in rebuilding mode. They're a quarterback away from being a legitimate contender. The expectation in 2019 was that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky would develop into that quarterback. He hasn't. But that doesn't mean this roster needs a makeover. It just needs a quarterback, and there will be several appealing veteran options available this offseason to fill that void.

Don't trade Mack. Don't even let the thought creep into your mind. If it does, seek help immediately.

Dan Orlovsky says Bears should trade Khalil Mack originally appeared on NBC Sports Chicago

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"I'm such a person on building the interior of lines, and the game that the NFL is nowadays, I think Khalil Mack is a ridiculously good football player," Orlovsky said. "I don't need to tell anybody that. The ball comes out really quickly nowadays. The last four years I've said, give me interior people before edges and that's on both sides of the ball. Give me a really good center and really good guard more than really good tackle nowadays in the NFL. Teams aren't dropping back in condenses space and doing seven-step drops and holding the ball for four seconds like they used to and give me guys who can get the interior pressure more than the edge pressure because the ball comes out of the quarterback's hands so quickly nowadays."


The Bosa brothers don't seem to have an issue rushing the edge in today's NFL.

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