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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:21 pm 
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Heard an intriguing conversation between Chris Simms and DP yesterday on the radio. Simms echoed what many teams are starting to notice. "Spread is Dead". Now I don't think it's totally 6 feet under yet, but it's coming. Simms made the observation that really going back to last year and now through this season so far, the teams that are winning and winning big are the teams RUNNING THE BALL(save for the Chiefs). Run Football is starting to make a SERIOUS comeback in the NFL ( I knew it would).

No one is saying the pass isn't still a HUGE part of moving the ball, but anyone with a brain can figure out that BALANCE is everything to sustaining a good offense.

When Matt ARENA LEAGUE Nagy says "Be You" to himself on his lousy little play call sheet...he ain't taking about calling run plays. Let's face it...we hired a pass happy coach. What do you expect from a guy who played Arena Football? They throw the ball 60-70 times a contest. That's what Nagys means by "Be You".

And it sucks.

We aint going to no Super Bowl with this guy as our coach. I have accepted it. We'll be lucky if we even play in January. It'll be another quick exit if we do unless this guy tosses his "Be You" play call sheet and creates a new one called "DON'T Be You."


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Look if he was incapable of adapting then he was never the guy anyways. Let's see how they come out of the bye.


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Once teams start drafting to defend these schemes, it opens the door for other schemes. Smaller nickel guys, can't tackle running backs every play.


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Football is better with a fullback.

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can't run the ball if the line can't block

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good dolphin wrote:
can't run the ball if the line can't block


Can't block in a zone scheme if the running back is clueless.

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Nas wrote:
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can't run the ball if the line can't block


Can't block in a zone scheme if the running back is clueless.


was howard clueless last year? Is Tarik Cohen and Mike Davis clueless after not being last year?

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good dolphin wrote:
can't run the ball if the line can't block
Can't do anything if the line can't block.

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good dolphin wrote:
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can't run the ball if the line can't block


Can't block in a zone scheme if the running back is clueless.


was howard clueless last year? Is Tarik Cohen and Mike Davis clueless after not being last year?

Yeah this is not a RB issue.

Some of the clips of the line are terrible

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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
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can't run the ball if the line can't block


Can't block in a zone scheme if the running back is clueless.


was howard clueless last year? Is Tarik Cohen and Mike Davis clueless after not being last year?

Howard was overweight with bricks for hands, Cohen isn't featured and Mike Davis is stealing. Even with Howard being unable to break a tackle the running game was better.

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Howard was overweight with bricks for hands
Did he suddenly drop 40lbs and get hand transplants upon his arrival in Philly? Because he looks decent there. And he was pretty damn good during the latter part of the 2018 season when the Bears relied heavily on the run game.

This is not a QB or RB or WR problem. This is an Oline and, to a lesser extend, a TE problem.

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RFDC wrote:
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can't run the ball if the line can't block


Can't block in a zone scheme if the running back is clueless.


was howard clueless last year? Is Tarik Cohen and Mike Davis clueless after not being last year?

Yeah this is not a RB issue.

Some of the clips of the line are terrible

It's also a bit of an RB issue. Montgomery has been objectively bad. It looks like I was wrong about him.

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Can't tell on Monty yet, he's getting handed the ball off in shotgun and the line blows.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Howard was overweight with bricks for hands
Did he suddenly drop 40lbs and get hand transplants upon his arrival in Philly? Because he looks decent there. And he was pretty damn good during the latter part of the 2018 season when the Bears relied heavily on the run game.

This is not a QB or RB or WR problem. This is an Oline and, to a lesser extend, a TE problem.


They said that he lost weight

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the offensive line has been shit all year, cant run the ball. a good O line would mask the lack of a 2nd legitmate receiving option... frankly, it might be time to let bust anthony miller ride the pine and let tarik operate nearly full time out of the slot in 11 packages... since burton and miller cant get the job done as slot threats. at least tarik possesses the lateral quickness to perhaps get open out of the slot


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Solid 1st post*.

Football is better with a fullback.

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It sure is.

A thousand years from now, Power-I football will still be a dangerous thing if your backs and line are any good.


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Cohen isn't really a runningback.


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It's also a bit of an RB issue. Montgomery has been objectively bad. It looks like I was wrong about him.

He does turn one yard gains into two yard gains, so that's something.


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He has shown a clear ability to break tackles and fall forward. He's a bruiser.


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Antarctica wrote:
He has shown a clear ability to break tackles and fall forward. He's a bruiser.

He’s Isaiah Crowell. Fantastic.

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FavreFan wrote:
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He has shown a clear ability to break tackles and fall forward. He's a bruiser.

He’s Isaiah Crowell. Fantastic.

That would be absolutely fine by me.


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Fuck that..Howard > Cromwell.

He's gotta be better than Howard or it's a bad pick.

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When your offensive line cannot create a hole, you'd better have a quick and strong cut back runner. Cohen can cut back but he isn't strong enough to break tackles and Montgomery appears to be a straight to the hole runner. There were several times in the Raiders game where there was a hole on the left side of the line but the play was designed to the right and Montgomery got stuffed.

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When your offensive line cannot create a hole, you'd better have a quick and strong cut back runner. Cohen can cut back but he isn't strong enough to break tackles and Montgomery appears to be a straight to the hole runner. There were several times in the Raiders game where there was a hole on the left side of the line but the play was designed to the right and Montgomery got stuffed.


You do know that a key reason the Bears drafted Montgomery was that he led the entire nation in most forced missed tackles.

Dude has SICK moves. But he's basically been running into a minefield every play.


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JeffGeorgeWorshipPodcast wrote:
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When your offensive line cannot create a hole, you'd better have a quick and strong cut back runner. Cohen can cut back but he isn't strong enough to break tackles and Montgomery appears to be a straight to the hole runner. There were several times in the Raiders game where there was a hole on the left side of the line but the play was designed to the right and Montgomery got stuffed.


You do know that a key reason the Bears drafted Montgomery was that he led the entire nation in most forced missed tackles.

Dude has SICK moves. But he's basically been running into a minefield every play.

He forces a lot of missed tackles because he goes out of his way to run in to a defender instead of through an open hole

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It'd be a lot worse if he were shying away from contact.


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JeffGeorgeWorshipPodcast wrote:
Heard an intriguing conversation between Chris Simms and DP yesterday on the radio. Simms echoed what many teams are starting to notice. "Spread is Dead". Now I don't think it's totally 6 feet under yet, but it's coming. Simms made the observation that really going back to last year and now through this season so far, the teams that are winning and winning big are the teams RUNNING THE BALL(save for the Chiefs). Run Football is starting to make a SERIOUS comeback in the NFL ( I knew it would).

No one is saying the pass isn't still a HUGE part of moving the ball, but anyone with a brain can figure out that BALANCE is everything to sustaining a good offense.

When Matt ARENA LEAGUE Nagy says "Be You" to himself on his lousy little play call sheet...he ain't taking about calling run plays. Let's face it...we hired a pass happy coach. What do you expect from a guy who played Arena Football? They throw the ball 60-70 times a contest. That's what Nagys means by "Be You".

And it sucks.

We aint going to no Super Bowl with this guy as our coach. I have accepted it. We'll be lucky if we even play in January. It'll be another quick exit if we do unless this guy tosses his "Be You" play call sheet and creates a new one called "DON'T Be You."


The offense wasn't very good last year either. It wasn't awful, just not more than average.


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It’s simple, most of this is bad coaching/playcalling.


The defensive side of the Bears is an example of what good coaching/scheming looks like while the offensive side of the ball is a good example of bad.


Theres more specifics to this, but this is a very good general way to look at it if you don’t want to over concern yourself with the details.


Nagy is a poor play caller who doesn’t have a clue how to establish a rhythm on offense nor how to stay in one once he stumbles on it. I complained about this last year too, but that was his 1st season and I was also trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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JeffGeorgeWorshipPodcast wrote:
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When your offensive line cannot create a hole, you'd better have a quick and strong cut back runner. Cohen can cut back but he isn't strong enough to break tackles and Montgomery appears to be a straight to the hole runner. There were several times in the Raiders game where there was a hole on the left side of the line but the play was designed to the right and Montgomery got stuffed.


You do know that a key reason the Bears drafted Montgomery was that he led the entire nation in most forced missed tackles.

Dude has SICK moves. But he's basically been running into a minefield every play.


I know what his rep was in college but that was college and this is the NFL. NFL dbs and safeties hit like good college lbs and NFL lbs hit like defensive ends and tackles. They are also faster than the college guys that he played against.

I am just saying what I am seeing on the field. He gets stuffed a lot because he doesn't appear to be able to improvise and cut back. Maybe he just is being told to go to the hole and is following orders? I don't know. I am not blaming him per se because the offensive line does suck and hasn't been able to open up anything for the running backs.

When I think about it, the problem with assessing Montgomery is the same kind of issue with assessing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. It is tough to assess either guy when there are other factors that need to be taken into consideration like in play calling and line play. I am a big time believer in putting an offensive and defensive line together if you want to be a consistent winner in football. I think that the Bears had a chance to do it with the offense but they refused to replace Leno and Massie despite having the money to do it with. Now they are paying the price for their failure.

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NME wrote:
It’s simple, most of this is bad coaching/playcalling.


The defensive side of the Bears is an example of what good coaching/scheming looks like while the offensive side of the ball is a good example of bad.


Theres more specifics to this, but this is a very good general way to look at it if you don’t want to over concern yourself with the details.


Nagy is a poor play caller who doesn’t have a clue how to establish a rhythm on offense nor how to stay in one once he stumbles on it. I complained about this last year too, but that was his 1st season and I was also trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.


I think that what is missing more is TALENT on the offensive line than it is any scheme or coaching. The Bear's tackles are bad and Long is playing hurt. They cannot cover that up and/or scheme around it. I also believe that the only way that the Bear's will win with this assembly of offensive players is to let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky use his athleticism to make plays. They did this last year and they won 12 games. This season I think that Nagy wanted to protect him with a stay in the pocket, play it safe, concept and I believe that he knows how bad his offensive line is. HE HAS TO KNOW and I BLAME PACE for this.

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