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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky over Mahomes is Bowie over Jordan.

Ryan Pace...C grade. A+ for the defense D for the offense. White was a bust and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky by the end of this year will prove to be a historic bust given the cost.

As a city we've picked busts before high up in the draft (Curtis Enis, Kevin White, Tyrus Thomas, Eddy Curry, Michael Haynes) but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might be the biggest bust because of the total cost. A historic bust when it's all said and done.


What are you? Karnak? There is nothing to base this prediction on . Certainly not any valid evidence. The kid has done well as a 2 year quarterback. I don't know where the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky hatred comes from with Bear's fans but you people embarrass yourselves with your judgement. If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky plays the Raider game, the BEars win easily. They'd be 4-1 with him. All this doom and gloom about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is embarrassing for me to hear. Its like Bear's fans do not know shit about football.


It appears you don't know what "valid" and "evidence" mean. All you said in reply was that you think they'd be 4-1 if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played because...I guess your opinion counts as "valid evidence" here.

Plenty of "evidence" to suggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a bust:

The QBs picked after him have better QB stats and production.

His numbers prior to the injury ranked in the bottom tier of QBs this year.

He has failed to read defenses and look off his no 1 read.

QBs picked the year after him have had better production despite less pro experience.

The only people who can't see this are his parents and fans in denial like yourself.


I don't know whether (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will ever be a top echelon quarterback but neither do you know that he is a bust. He had a very good year last year as a quarterback. He only played three games this year and was 2-1. IN those games he was plagued by a limited play calling set as well as a shitty offensive line.

I just do not believe how you and many others are so down on a very young quarterback. I wanted Watson for the record in that draft. But to say that the football world knew that Watson and Mahomes were clearly the better qb prospects as compared to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is total bullshit. Right now, Mahomes and Watson are certainly doing better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. SO WHAT? The exploits of Mahomes and Watson have nothing to do with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's development.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has a chance to be a very good winning quarterback. That is all that I care about. To call him a bust is stupid.

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IN those games he was plagued by a limited play calling set as well as a shitty offensive line.
You seem to dismiss the notion that the play calling was limited BECAUSE the quarterback is limited.

I'm still bullish on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but my optimism is steadily waning week by week.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:15 am 
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I’m not panicking. Mitch for the moment is the best option we have at QB, we’ll deal with what to do going forward after the season (barring some blockbuster trade). No sense in losing sleep over woulda coulda shoulda at this point.


I still think our defense is elite.. and if the O-line can improve leading to an improved running game and Mitch being a good game manager.. there’s still a possibility this team can make noise in the playoffs.


Long term? Pace has to really consider if it’s best to move on, or not. It’s vital that the decision to cut the cord or stay the course is made sooner rather than later tho. Judging by threads like this and the reactions from a lot of us, it isn’t hard to figure out what our opinion is. Let’s see what happens after the season tho. Keep a level head about it.


Yep. I questioned the offensive line before the season began and unfortunately I was right. With Long gone and the two pieces of manure at tackle, our offensive line is the worst in football. They have to hope like hell that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can use his legs to buy time and that Nagy can scheme his way to moving the offense.

It is not the end of the world for this team but it will be hard to make the play-offs this season given the offensive line. But that is what they are paying Nagy to do and he needs to step up and do it. No one will feel sorry for the Bears nor should they.

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It seems to me that the biggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky fans are the ones clinging the hardest to the theory that production in college has little use as a predictor of performance at the NFL level. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was a one year yawn at a basketball school whose stock magically rose while Watson was getting ready to go do the unthinkable a second time, shred the mighty Alabama D laden with high draft picks to be. He was a clear leader that had/has a feel for the game, physical talents and best of all, is an actual football player. Whereas the Bears' guy is at best a weaker version of Taysom Hill. Or bigger RG III.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky seems football slow, doesn't exhibit consistent talent or judgement and worst of all seems to be regressing. He isn't a team leader, but rather a guy that is relying on the excuse making of his dwindling fans & a desperate GM to secure contract number two.

Which seems like ALL he is focused on.

I just love how everything is being heaped on the reigning coach of the year and the pro bowl laden O line, while many still tout (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's equally laughable pro bowl appearance. Pick a lane. :lol:

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It seems to me that the biggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky fans are the ones clinging the hardest to the theory that production in college has little use as a predictor of performance at the NFL level. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was a one year yawn at a basketball school whose stock magically rose while Watson was getting ready to go do the unthinkable a second time, shred the mighty Alabama D laden with high draft picks to be. He was a clear leader that had/has a feel for the game, physical talents and best of all, is an actual football player. Whereas the Bears' guy is at best a weaker version of Taysom Hill. Or bigger RG III.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky seems football slow, doesn't exhibit consistent talent or judgement and worst of all seems to be regressing. He isn't a team leader, but rather a guy that is relying on the excuse making of his dwindling fans & a desperate GM to secure contract number two.

Which seems like ALL he is focused on.

I just love how everything is being heaped on the reigning coach of the year and the pro bowl laden O line, while many still tout (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's equally laughable pro bowl appearance. Pick a lane. :lol:


There is no fool proof way to find a quarterback. Mahomes was ignored because of the lack of success quarterbacks from his offense had had and Watson's issue was health and some decision making struggles.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky may very well be football slow and tries to make up for it with hard work. There is no question that he has talent and is a leader. His teammates have loved him since he arrived. Consistency and thinking while playing are his primary issues after pocket passing. He has elite ability outside of the pocket. He's still developing. His regression to rookie year form is concerning but I am still willing to give him the rest of the season before I jump ship.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky over Mahomes is Bowie over Jordan.

Ryan Pace...C grade. A+ for the defense D for the offense. White was a bust and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky by the end of this year will prove to be a historic bust given the cost.

As a city we've picked busts before high up in the draft (Curtis Enis, Kevin White, Tyrus Thomas, Eddy Curry, Michael Haynes) but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might be the biggest bust because of the total cost. A historic bust when it's all said and done.


What are you? Karnak? There is nothing to base this prediction on . Certainly not any valid evidence. The kid has done well as a 2 year quarterback. I don't know where the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky hatred comes from with Bear's fans but you people embarrass yourselves with your judgement. If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky plays the Raider game, the BEars win easily. They'd be 4-1 with him. All this doom and gloom about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is embarrassing for me to hear. Its like Bear's fans do not know shit about football.


It appears you don't know what "valid" and "evidence" mean. All you said in reply was that you think they'd be 4-1 if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played because...I guess your opinion counts as "valid evidence" here.

Plenty of "evidence" to suggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a bust:

The QBs picked after him have better QB stats and production.

His numbers prior to the injury ranked in the bottom tier of QBs this year.

He has failed to read defenses and look off his no 1 read.

QBs picked the year after him have had better production despite less pro experience.

The only people who can't see this are his parents and fans in denial like yourself.


I don't know whether (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will ever be a top echelon quarterback but neither do you know that he is a bust. He had a very good year last year as a quarterback. He only played three games this year and was 2-1. IN those games he was plagued by a limited play calling set as well as a shitty offensive line.

I just do not believe how you and many others are so down on a very young quarterback. I wanted Watson for the record in that draft. But to say that the football world knew that Watson and Mahomes were clearly the better qb prospects as compared to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is total bullshit. Right now, Mahomes and Watson are certainly doing better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. SO WHAT? The exploits of Mahomes and Watson have nothing to do with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's development.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has a chance to be a very good winning quarterback. That is all that I care about. To call him a bust is stupid.


It's very easy to identify a bust: a player whose performance doesn't equal or surpass the expectations of where he was selected in the draft. Based on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's performance this season, he is not performing like someone worthy of a no 2 selection (plus all the other considerations). I never said the world knew Watson or Mahomes were better so that's a straw man. You seem fixated on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when you should really fixated on production from that position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't producing, doesn't look like he'll produce at an elite level, so you prepare to move on instead of sinking further into the fallacy of the sunk cost (which is what he is).

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His teammates have loved him since he arrived. Consistency and thinking while playing are his primary issues after pocket passing. He has elite ability outside of the pocket. He's still developing. His regression to rookie year form is concerning but I am still willing to give him the rest of the season before I jump ship.


How would you really know that his teammates love him? The brown nosers in the local media report nothing but sunshine about the team to keep "access" and his teammates don't want to do anything to upset Pace or the McCaskey bottom line.

And fwiw, consistency and thinking are supposed to be a given for a QB who was traded up for. He can't even hold a candle to Dak Prescott in that regard.

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No reason to believe he's not a leader or a good guy in the locker room. He's just not an elite talent. I feel bad for him.

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No reason to believe he's not a leader or a good guy in the locker room. He's just not an elite talent. I feel bad for him.


He's probably personally liked in the locker room, but I don't know how he can command the requisite level of respect being babied and regressing the way he is. Or lead elite talents.

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No reason to believe he's not a leader or a good guy in the locker room. He's just not an elite talent. I feel bad for him.


He's probably personally liked in the locker room, but I don't know how he can command the requisite level of respect being babied and regressing the way he is. Or lead elite talents.


We're gonna have to postpone the question about leading elite talent because I'm not sure if there is any elite talent to lead. Is there? Robinson comes close...maybe?

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His teammates have loved him since he arrived. Consistency and thinking while playing are his primary issues after pocket passing. He has elite ability outside of the pocket. He's still developing. His regression to rookie year form is concerning but I am still willing to give him the rest of the season before I jump ship.


How would you really know that his teammates love him? The brown nosers in the local media report nothing but sunshine about the team to keep "access" and his teammates don't want to do anything to upset Pace or the McCaskey bottom line.

And fwiw, consistency and thinking are supposed to be a given for a QB who was traded up for. He can't even hold a candle to Dak Prescott in that regard.


I think when you have a guy like Cutler or even a HoF player like Rodgers guys don't pretend to like them. The offensive guys hang out with him and speak highly of him as a person and as a teammate. There is talk from everyone on the roster (including Mack) about how hard he works. Results matter. Regardless of how anyone feels about him personally they will want help from outside if he doesn't figure things out.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm a believer that too many people are in his ear just based on his play when he has to work off of instinct.

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When you don't know that you shouldn't stare down receivers or ignore 75% of the field then it stands to reason that you need all the help you can get.

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When you don't know that you shouldn't stare down receivers or ignore 75% of the field then it stands to reason that you need all the help you can get.


It's an issue all quarterbacks have. Especially young quarterbacks.

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He can stare down whoever he wants, but he should at least have the decency to complete the pass while doing it.


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His teammates have loved him since he arrived. Consistency and thinking while playing are his primary issues after pocket passing. He has elite ability outside of the pocket. He's still developing. His regression to rookie year form is concerning but I am still willing to give him the rest of the season before I jump ship.


How would you really know that his teammates love him? The brown nosers in the local media report nothing but sunshine about the team to keep "access" and his teammates don't want to do anything to upset Pace or the McCaskey bottom line.

And fwiw, consistency and thinking are supposed to be a given for a QB who was traded up for. He can't even hold a candle to Dak Prescott in that regard.


I think when you have a guy like Cutler or even a HoF player like Rodgers guys don't pretend to like them. The offensive guys hang out with him and speak highly of him as a person and as a teammate. There is talk from everyone on the roster (including Mack) about how hard he works. Results matter. Regardless of how anyone feels about him personally they will want help from outside if he doesn't figure things out.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm a believer that too many people are in his ear just based on his play when he has to work off of instinct.

Greg Jennings and JerMichael Finley are the only former teammates of Rodgers that criticized him and both waited until they were out of the league to do it. Please stop spreading fake news.

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