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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:28 am 
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I disagree with this. You never want to give them a reason to think you are doing something illegal. When you run that gives them a reason to believe that you have done something illegal.
But you get scared and don't act rational.


Not really. I have never been all that uncomfortable around the police.

Lots of people do, though. Many have that lower-level paranoia that goes with having anxiety. And some feel guilty about the stuff the rest of us wrote off a long time ago.

Additionally, it's also hard to not let your emotions get the better of you when you stand a good chance of being punished in some way. It's not easy for large numbers of people to handle, even though you might be good at it.


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Are we debating why the homeless person may have not thought rationally?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:31 am 
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He was released after a plea withdrawal. And he was sentenced 15 years for pleading guilty to drug charges. If he didn't think it was cocaine, don't plead guilty.


Don't take a plea if you aren't guilty makes sense in theory.

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He was released after a plea withdrawal. And he was sentenced 15 years for pleading guilty to drug charges. If he didn't think it was cocaine, don't plead guilty.

It sounds rational enough from your vantage point, but that's not always how the human mind and human society works.

I blame the yenrotta. And the fact that he couldn't afford a good yenrotta.


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what % of homeless people are completely rational thinkers?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:34 am 
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He was released after a plea withdrawal. And he was sentenced 15 years for pleading guilty to drug charges. If he didn't think it was cocaine, don't plead guilty.


Don't take a plea if you aren't guilty makes sense in theory.

Exactly.

I guess ltg is a cheerleader for the police. A system guy, as it were. :lol:


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I suppose it's actually rational if prison means shelter and food vs homelessness.

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what % of homeless people are completely rational thinkers?

12.2%


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He was released after a plea withdrawal. And he was sentenced 15 years for pleading guilty to drug charges. If he didn't think it was cocaine, don't plead guilty.

It sounds rational enough from your vantage point, but that's not always how the human mind and human society works.

I blame the yenrotta. And the fact that he couldn't afford a good yenrotta.

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I suppose it's actually rational if prison means shelter and food vs homelessness.

Three squares a day and no rent.


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Even if he had 2 ounces of blow, ( nothing) 56 grams- 2k worth.. how the fuck is 15 years a reasonable sentence.


Think he had a few prior drug convictions already on his books.

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Are we debating why the homeless person may have not thought rationally?



Classism at its very finest!

He was a rational enough thinker to know that he'd be better off in the joint than he would in the local jail.

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I suppose it's actually rational if prison means shelter and food vs homelessness.

Three squares a day and no rent.


15 years is a pretty long stretch. Even if he only had to do half of that its still a long stretch.

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Are we debating why the homeless person may have not thought rationally?



Classism at its very finest!

He was a rational enough thinker to know that he'd be better off in the joint than he would in the local jail.

How is that classism? Mental illness is a major factor in homelessness.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:42 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Are we debating why the homeless person may have not thought rationally?



Classism at its very finest!

He was a rational enough thinker to know that he'd be better off in the joint than he would in the local jail.

How is that classism? Mental illness is a major factor in homelessness.


Being poor is even more of a factor.
Its still rather presumptuous to think there is mental illness or some other mental defect involved which prevents the guy from thinking rationally.

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I think fear and all of those things can be a factor. Telling a guy with a criminal history that he may get life if he doesn't take 15 years could do that.

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Being poor is even more of a factor.
No, that would be classism if you were blaming his irrational choices on being poor.

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Its still rather presumptuous to think there is mental illness or some other mental defect involved which prevents the guy from thinking rationally.
Any talk of what he was thinking when running from the cops and taking a bad plea deal is presumptuous.

I'm going to go ahead and say that someone who takes a 15 year prison sentence because they were caught with a bag of powdered milk may have a mental illness.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:12 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Being poor is even more of a factor.
No, that would be classism if you were blaming his irrational choices on being poor.

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Its still rather presumptuous to think there is mental illness or some other mental defect involved which prevents the guy from thinking rationally.
Any talk of what he was thinking when running from the cops and taking a bad plea deal is presumptuous.

I'm going to go ahead and say that someone who takes a 15 year prison sentence because they were caught with a bag of powdered milk may have a mental illness.


Not if he didn't know that it was powdered milk.

He may have believed it was cocaine just like the cops did.

If he were mentally ill would he know to "instinctively" run from the police?

Would he be cognescent enough to know that the county jail is a "bad place to be"?

I dare say not.

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I think fear and all of those things can be a factor. Telling a guy with a criminal history that he may get life if he doesn't take 15 years could do that.


Plenty of guys would cop under those circumstances.

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what % of homeless people are completely rational thinkers?

This is a problem I have with our modern "fix everything" culture. Your post here implies that since homeless people aren't rational thinkers the USA needs to amend its criminal justice system to accommodate them. I dont think you realize the consequences of trying to reconcile these things.

Either way an entire segment of people are now inexplicably convinced the US criminal justice system is, and I am quoting a term I see used very often, "broken". I cant actually fathom why. Because criminals go to jail? Because police pursue crime? You dont think cops make mistakes everywhere in the world?


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Nas wrote:
I think fear and all of those things can be a factor. Telling a guy with a criminal history that he may get life if he doesn't take 15 years could do that.

The whole point of crime and punishment is to instill fear in people who are not otherwise ethically or morally averse to crime. If boil it all down to its core that what it is supposed to do. Remove the fear element, which has been done in a lot of places, and the whole thing goes to shit.

It is an almost undeniable fact that soft judges and prosecutors have enabled Chicago's ridiculous third-world violent crime problem way more than overbearing or rough police. And its also undeniable fact that one Laquan McDonald pales in comparison to the thousands that have been murdered in Chicago since that happened.


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Antarctica wrote:
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what % of homeless people are completely rational thinkers?

This is a problem I have with our modern "fix everything" culture. Your post here implies that since homeless people aren't rational thinkers the USA needs to amend its criminal justice system to accommodate them. I dont think you realize the consequences of trying to reconcile these things.

Either way an entire segment of people are now inexplicably convinced the US criminal justice system is, and I am quoting a term I see used very often, "broken". I cant actually fathom why. Because criminals go to jail? Because police pursue crime? You dont think cops make mistakes everywhere in the world?


My post doesn't imply that. It explains why someone would be willing to spend 15 years in the can b/c they had milk powder.

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My post doesn't imply that./quote]
Yea I got a feeling I got you pretty well figured out, comrade.


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I assume you unnerstand I'm probably the most pro-cop guy on the board.

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If he were mentally ill would he know to "instinctively" run from the police?
Yes.

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Would he be cognescent enough to know that the county jail is a "bad place to be"?
Yes.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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If he were mentally ill would he know to "instinctively" run from the police?
Yes.

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Would he be cognescent enough to know that the county jail is a "bad place to be"?
Yes.


Then its safe to say he has all of his faculties.

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Hatchetman wrote:
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what % of homeless people are completely rational thinkers?

This is a problem I have with our modern "fix everything" culture. Your post here implies that since homeless people aren't rational thinkers the USA needs to amend its criminal justice system to accommodate them. I dont think you realize the consequences of trying to reconcile these things.

Either way an entire segment of people are now inexplicably convinced the US criminal justice system is, and I am quoting a term I see used very often, "broken". I cant actually fathom why. Because criminals go to jail? Because police pursue crime? You dont think cops make mistakes everywhere in the world?


My post doesn't imply that. It explains why someone would be willing to spend 15 years in the can b/c they had milk powder.


He like them probably didn't know that it was powdered milk.

Just like baking soda was often times passed off as cocaine back in the day.

There are still a number of look alike drugs out there now which often times fool people.

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Would he be cognescent enough to know that the county jail is a "bad place to be"?


But everyone else is dumb, and LTG is the smart one...

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Would he be cognescent enough to know that the county jail is a "bad place to be"?


But everyone else is dumb, and LTG is the smart one...


Wish i could exclude you from that "everyone" but unfortunately i can't.

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