Keeping the best player in the country off the court is a really dumb idea.

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Pretty fucking lame.

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Not the first time a Wiseman has been oppressed by a couple fuckin’ white dudes.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Nice effort by UIC

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He plays at Memphis. Needs to be at Duke or another to program to have those expenses paid.

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MANY people are saying that.

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What is really dirty is a lot of the time the other major universities push these investigations through back channels in order to disrupt any up and coming program.

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Of course this is what happened.

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This is on Penny. He messed this up badly.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Its one of the main reasons that the NCAA is a shit organization.

All the top programs cheat but they only ever obstruct the progress of non blueblood programs.

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The general sentiment you have here is correct. Arizona and Kansas are both proving that right now.

However, this really was Penny and the kids family doing something that clearly should make him ineligible. His college coach literally gave his family $11.5k. Even Memphis doesn't deny that he did this. Even if you think that players should be able to be compensated in college you can't just blatantly break the rules and then say "others do it too".

Penny when he was hired as the Memphis coach should have said he wasn't going to recruit any of the players he paid as an AAU coach but he probably doesn't get the job either if he does that. If the players went elsewhere, it would at least be a debate as to whether rules were broken. This is pretty clear. Fighting it by Memphis is pretty stupid.

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That's also a pretty expensive "move" from Memphis to Nashville. I would think that you could move 200 miles for far less than $11,500.

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If he did it prior to becoming coach is it really illegal?

He wasn't the coach of Memphis when the money was provided.

It is relevant to note that they wink wink nod nod when the Dukes and Kentuckys of the world walk in with the top recruiting classes year after year.

You can't selectively choose to enforce the rules if you hope to have credibility.

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Well, it certainly makes him ineligible to later play for that coach. If the recruit had gone somewhere else it would have been more of a question as to whether the payment made him ineligible.
That doesn't matter. He is the coach of Memphis now and there is a player on his team that he paid to play for him. Open and shut case there.

Otherwise, every coach that is out of work would pay "moving expenses" to top recruits who just so happened to follow them to the next school that hires them.

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Why did the judge rule the kid eligible if the case is so "open and shut"?

Penny Hardaway wasn't an "out of work" coach either. He'd never coached college basketball.

Lastly i'm all for cracking down on Memphis if it is found that they did something illegal or unethical.

As long as they do the same to Duke and Kentucky. We both know that they never will however.

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He didn't rule him eligible. The injunction is because there would be no way to go back in time and let him play the games if he won his lawsuit. It's not surprising at all though any games Wiseman play in will almost certainly be forfeited.
I am saying that is what coaches would do. Penny has literally paid a player real money on his team. That makes him ineligible to play for him.
Yeah. The NCAA just did. Once again, do you not realize that the current coach of Memphis paid one of the players on his team while in high school? Memphis does not even argue against that point.
I would be fine with that too though I'm sure if they made Zion ineligible last year that you wouldn't have supported that either.

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This isn't that complicated. Penny wasn't the coach, but he was as prominent Memphis booster at the time, having donated a lot of money to the University and it's athletic program. If a booster pays a recruit money and that recruit later commits to that school it is a crystal clear violation. Doesn't matter that Penny is the coach now. Even if he wasn't the coach this would still be a blatant violation.


And anyone who thinks this is not a violation based on a judge entering a temporary injunction is a moron. It was a local Shelby County judge, probably a Memphis fan or booster or alum. So nothing to see here. Good luck getting that to hold up when Memphis leaves the state.


Only reason Penny even got the job is because he could deliver Wiseman. This couldn't be a more obvious violation.

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That's true on the booster part. They would have had a better argument at least but Penny being the coach makes it easily proveable that Penny directed a player he paid to go to school at Memphis.

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I actually would've. Check my other posts regarding this issue.

They are never going to catch the Dukes and Kentuckys of the world because they never will look to catch the Dukes and Kentuckys of the world. They hide in plain sight each and every year.

Duke had the #1#2 and #3 recruit in the country play for them last season and all anyone said about it was "man that Coach K really is one helluva recruiter".

I knew the second Penny walked in with the top recruiting class that they were going to go after him. All he did was the same thing that everyone else that has top recruiting classes does. Pay

Its not rocket science as to how these schools "acquire" top talent year in and year out. If they are going to go after Memphis then they should go after Duke Kentucky Kansas etc. too.

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What the FBI investigation showed was that it was being done through the shoe companies. Coach K and Coach Cal are smart enough to let the shoe companies handle everything. Kansas and Arizona seemingly aren't and the NCAA is at least seemingly going to get them though they move at a very slow pace.

The difference here is there is a clear payment directly between a college coach and a player. If the same evidence existed for Coach K then they would do the same.

Memphis was just really bad at this and got caught.

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Are you so naive that you do not think that in 30+ years similar allegations haven't been made against Duke? Its not that they are any slicker or better at it(knew that was coming) its just that when said allegations are made the NCAA looks the other way.

The FBI had to step in so that Kansas and Arizona would get caught. Thats the only reason that the NCAA investigated. The FBI forced their hand otherwise they'd have looked the other way on that too.

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So Penny should go to jail like people are demanding of Lori Loughlin right ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Duke is very smart to not have a DIRECT connection between a coach and a player being paid. You do understand that is the issue here right? Penny paid Wiseman's family. There aren't many similar allegations to that.

However, as I said before, in general your sentiment is correct. The blue bloods do get away with a lot of stuff. That doesn't mean that Wiseman should be eligible for Memphis though.

The counter argument is that the NCAA did go hard after North Carolina and got destroyed in court by them for academic integrity issues.

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He wasn't the coach of Memphis when he did it.

I personally know of some shady dealings that were conducted by some of the top programs that were completely transparent and the NCAA did nothing to stop or investigate it.

Didn't even try and hide it as it was pretty much understood that they would look the other way.

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Once again, doesn't matter.

Did you report it to the NCAA?

Ok. Post the details then.

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I'm not posting anything as its not any of my business.

I will simply state that if you think that the reason that these schools don't get caught is because they are simply better at it then you are incredibly naive.

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You said they weren't even trying to hide it. I guess you think they want it hidden a little.

Talking about this case, they do it better. Penny DIRECTLY paid a player on his team. That player was ruled ineligible for it.

Sean Miller was incredibly dumb but at least he was smart enough to know to let the shoe companies do his work for him.

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How did the "direct payment" come to the attention of the NCAA? Do you think the kid's parents or Penny said anything or was a dime dropped and they decided to go after them?


Thats the point i'm making. They selectively choose how they want to enforce the rules.

And no this particular thing wasn't hidden it was simply ignored. As most shady dealings by blue blood schools are.

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I have no idea how the NCAA found out. It also doesn't matter.

I know a lot of rumors exist but my question Is why you didn't report it if it was so obvious and we'll known?

The NCAAs biggest issue is having enough evidence to win a court case.

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Its silly to say it doesn't matter. I already answered as to why i didn't report it so there is no need to continue to ask that question.

Isn't it more relevant to ask why the NCAA never investigates the shady practices of Duke and Kentucky?

If the three kids that signed with Duke last season would have signed with South Carolina instead an investigation would have immediately been launched.

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