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That's your definition. I think it's reasonable to consider a "stretch-4" simply a big man who "stretches" the floor, which McAdoo unquestionably did. Walt is correct. And LTG is wrong here. In fact, it seems like he's just rageposting as usual, this time Walt happens to be the target.


Yeah I think of a stretch 4 as someone who has to get his man away from the paint. A 4 hitting 16-18 foot shots does that.

I have no idea if McAdoo invented it. Whatever that means.

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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.

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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.
So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Of course LTG is right about this. So much blind rage prevents people from seeing it. Someone standing 16 feet from the basket isn't stretching anything.
Were Pete Maravich and Rick Mount elite outside shooters?

Is a stretch four a PF who stands 15 feet away from the rim?


In that era there were very few guys his size who didn't play with their back to the basket. I have no interest in getting into the semantics of what "stretch-4" means. It wasn't a term that was used in McAdoo's time. But what Walt is saying is correct. The only rage is coming from LTG who is mindlessly insulting him over something he doesn't understand.


The only people that happen to be debating "semantics" are guys like You, Brick, Walt, and apparently SPeeps. The definition of a stretch four is fairly cut and dried. Its not a guy that takes 15 foot jump shots.

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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.


:lol: Now you're arguing just to argue.

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You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%.

But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be.
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You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%.

But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be.

The line didn't even exist for half of his career.

Who is the inventor of it?

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You would think a student of the game like ltg would understand that the 3 point shot was a pretty terrible shot to take on a percentage basis when Bob McAdoo played. League averages were like 24 to 28%.

But for the INVENTOR of the stretch 4 it wouldn't be.

The line didn't even exist for half of his career.

Who is the inventor of it?


Not him.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.
So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.
So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.



Who invented elite outside shooting?

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Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.


:lol: Now you're arguing just to argue.

There's like 100 guys in the NBA right now that are better outside shooters than Pete ever was. If you were honest you'd admit Seth Curry would easily beat Pete in a 3 point contest. And this has nothing to do with "evolution" so no need to go back to your favorite strawman :lol:

You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.
So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.



Who invented elite outside shooting?

Michael Jordan against Portland. I thought everybody knew that.

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If the shot came into league when McAdoo was in the prime of his career and he still only shot it at 8% there is no way that he is a stretch anything.

Walt is stretching the truth big time.

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Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo.

Uh oh. Walt, JORR, and Rick taking it from both sides now!

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Walt is stretching the truth big time.

More than McAdoo stretched the floor that's for damn sure

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Walt is stretching the truth big time.

More than McAdoo stretched the floor that's for damn sure


Yep.

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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.


:lol: Now you're arguing just to argue.

There's like 100 guys in the NBA right now that are better outside shooters than Pete ever was. If you were honest you'd admit Seth Curry would easily beat Pete in a 3 point contest. And this has nothing to do with "evolution" so no need to go back to your favorite strawman :lol:

You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally.



I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.


:lol: Now you're arguing just to argue.

There's like 100 guys in the NBA right now that are better outside shooters than Pete ever was. If you were honest you'd admit Seth Curry would easily beat Pete in a 3 point contest. And this has nothing to do with "evolution" so no need to go back to your favorite strawman :lol:

You and Rick are just trying to distract from the fact that you guys incorrectly called a guy a stretch four because he shot from 15 feet away occasionally.



I don't know anything about Seth Curry.


Truer words were never spoken.

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I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

:lol: :lol:

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.

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Jerry Lucas was considered a big man who could hit the outside shot (including what is today 3-point distance) before McAdoo.



Jerry Lucas could definitely hit an outside shot. But he played like a traditional center a lot more than McAdoo did in his prime. That's how he averaged all those rebounds.

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I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

:lol: :lol:

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.


I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

:lol: :lol:

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.


I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you.

No, I don't. There's a lot of awesome shooters in the NBA.

One thing that isn't up for debate: there are more great shooters in the NBA than at any point in the history of the league. And the number is growing.

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I don't know anything about Seth Curry. But I'm certain there aren't 100 better shooters than Maravich.

:lol: :lol:

It's easy to be certain of things you know nothing about nor care to look into.


I know there aren't 100 better shooters in the NBA than Pete Maravich. So do you.

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No, I don't. There's a lot of awesome shooters in the NBA.


Pete Maravich was an awesome shooter.

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One thing that isn't up for debate: there are more great shooters in the NBA than at any point in the history of the league. And the number is growing.


I'm not arguing that. There's more reason to give roster spots to shooters.

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It's not my definition, it's THE definition. If you are 15 feet away from the basket you are not stretching the court, and you weren't stretching the court playing 15 feet away from the rim in 1975.

Walt isn't correct by any measure if he said Bob McAdoo was the first stretch four. He simply was not.
The definition of an elite outside shooter is someone who makes a very high amount of 3 pointers. Was Pete Maravich an elite outside shooter?

No, I don't think he was. I'm not sure anyone was when he played.
So, to be clear. Tim Legler is an elite outside shooter but Pete Maravich wasn't?

I don't think Tim Legler shot enough to qualify for that label.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are elite outside shooters.
How many career 3's do they need to qualify?

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Pistol Pete would be lucky to have the same career as Doug McDermott. 8)


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