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Come on. It's more than just pride. We all know that there is a cachet that St. Ignatius and Fenwick have that isn't equaled by Mt. Carmel or Gordon Tech. I don't begrudge you your education. I probably have more connections in machine shops and garages than you do.

I'm not comparing St. Ignatius to Andover, but it functions in a similar manner on a local level.
This goes to my point. A lot of people even in the Chicago suburbs wouldn't even know the hierarchy of these schools. It certainly isn't going to make a big difference if you leave the area outside of maybe Illinois politics.

Locally, it probably makes a difference, but locally the same thing is at least somewhat true for the higher rated public schools. I'm going to guess you make some good connections at the best CPS school too.


Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.

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and you may need to talk to Goff about your Range Rover if you think its the same as a Ford

I drive some pretty humble cars and I'll often say to myself how they are no different than the luxury. I drove a luxury for a week and its like being kicked out of paradise, especially in extreme weather


I'm not sure if Lincoln is considered luxury but I had one. It had a great sound system and some extra buttons but I had to be extra cautious in the snow because it was going to fishtail. Towards the end of my ownership the repair costs were insane. The Chrysler 300 I had after cost significantly less and it had the same buttons and fishtailing issue. Outside of the sound system there was no major difference beyond name and cost. I've never driven a $100k car so it's possible that would change my thinking.

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I think the discussion needs to be bifurcated because both points traditionally are a burr in Boilers bottom and they end up getting combined:

-private education
-catholic education

I might not pay for private education. I would still pay for education.



You could send your kids to Parker or Latin. That's really rarified air. There aren't many middle class kids at those places. Maybe a few on scholarship.

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We have never sent a child to a private school in the hopes of them making social connections.

I personally find that thought to be utterly ridiculous.



:lol: Really? I mean it's fine that you don't care about that.

But do you know how many people running the world first met at places like Andover, Exeter, St. Paul's, Lawrenceville, or Horace Mann? Do you think they're running the world because they're smarter than everyone else?

All you have to do is look at the list of alumni from a place like St. Ignatius and the connections are obvious.

Also, we all understand the social implications of these schools. A bunch of us attended Catholic high schools. But Peeps and pittmike and I aren't as arrogant about it as you and dolphin. We all know the hierarchy.



I'm proud of where i went to school. I would hope that you are as well.

I had to pay for my high school education. Which may or may not be something you all had to do. Which enhanced my experience because I had a lot riding on myself to get through it.


But comparing St Ignatius to Exeter or Andover is quite a stretch.


Come on. It's more than just pride. We all know that there is a cachet that St. Ignatius and Fenwick have that isn't equaled by Mt. Carmel or Gordon Tech. I don't begrudge you your education. I probably have more connections in machine shops and garages than you do.

I'm not comparing St. Ignatius to Andover, but it functions in a similar manner on a local level.


There was a camaraderie and kinship not born of arrogance.

At my brother and father's wakes there was people who taught them or worked with them en masse from Fenwick. None of whom were there for job or economic reasons.

I found out recently when reading the alumni publication that that Maggie Hendricks is a Fenwick graduate.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Come on. It's more than just pride. We all know that there is a cachet that St. Ignatius and Fenwick have that isn't equaled by Mt. Carmel or Gordon Tech. I don't begrudge you your education. I probably have more connections in machine shops and garages than you do.

I'm not comparing St. Ignatius to Andover, but it functions in a similar manner on a local level.
This goes to my point. A lot of people even in the Chicago suburbs wouldn't even know the hierarchy of these schools. It certainly isn't going to make a big difference if you leave the area outside of maybe Illinois politics.

Locally, it probably makes a difference, but locally the same thing is at least somewhat true for the higher rated public schools. I'm going to guess you make some good connections at the best CPS school too.


I don't even like this part of the conversation.

Here is what I've pulled from going to open houses: Loyola is pulling from 92 zip codes. Ignatius is pulling from about 150. Someone knows.

Ignatius has full on alumni associations in at least NY, DC, Philly, LA and probably more if I cared to look. I could probably go to Rome and pull a group together. Yes, in Bangor, Maine it might mean nothing.

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and you may need to talk to Goff about your Range Rover if you think its the same as a Ford

I drive some pretty humble cars and I'll often say to myself how they are no different than the luxury. I drove a luxury for a week and its like being kicked out of paradise, especially in extreme weather


I'm not sure if Lincoln is considered luxury but I had one. It had a great sound system and some extra buttons but I had to be extra cautious in the snow because it was going to fishtail. Towards the end of my ownership the repair costs were insane. The Chrysler 300 I had after cost significantly less and it had the same buttons and fishtailing issue. Outside of the sound system there was no major difference beyond name and cost. I've never driven a $100k car so it's possible that would change my thinking.



I had a Mark VIII for a couple years. It was a great car.

Was your 300 black like the one Heisenberg drives?

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Seacrest wrote:
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We have never sent a child to a private school in the hopes of them making social connections.

I personally find that thought to be utterly ridiculous.



:lol: Really? I mean it's fine that you don't care about that.

But do you know how many people running the world first met at places like Andover, Exeter, St. Paul's, Lawrenceville, or Horace Mann? Do you think they're running the world because they're smarter than everyone else?

All you have to do is look at the list of alumni from a place like St. Ignatius and the connections are obvious.

Also, we all understand the social implications of these schools. A bunch of us attended Catholic high schools. But Peeps and pittmike and I aren't as arrogant about it as you and dolphin. We all know the hierarchy.



I'm proud of where i went to school. I would hope that you are as well.

I had to pay for my high school education. Which may or may not be something you all had to do. Which enhanced my experience because I had a lot riding on myself to get through it.


But comparing St Ignatius to Exeter or Andover is quite a stretch.


Come on. It's more than just pride. We all know that there is a cachet that St. Ignatius and Fenwick have that isn't equaled by Mt. Carmel or Gordon Tech. I don't begrudge you your education. I probably have more connections in machine shops and garages than you do.

I'm not comparing St. Ignatius to Andover, but it functions in a similar manner on a local level.


There was a camaraderie and kinship not born of arrogance.

At my brother and father's wakes there was people who taught them or worked with them en masse from Fenwick. None of whom were there for job or economic reasons.

I found out recently when reading the alumni publication that that Maggie Hendricks is a Fenwick graduate.

CACHET GONE> BOOM.


Fenwick privilege. :lol:

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and you may need to talk to Goff about your Range Rover if you think its the same as a Ford

I drive some pretty humble cars and I'll often say to myself how they are no different than the luxury. I drove a luxury for a week and its like being kicked out of paradise, especially in extreme weather


I'm not sure if Lincoln is considered luxury but I had one. It had a great sound system and some extra buttons but I had to be extra cautious in the snow because it was going to fishtail. Towards the end of my ownership the repair costs were insane. The Chrysler 300 I had after cost significantly less and it had the same buttons and fishtailing issue. Outside of the sound system there was no major difference beyond name and cost. I've never driven a $100k car so it's possible that would change my thinking.



I had a Mark VIII for a couple years. It was a great car.

Was your 300 black like the one Heisenberg drives?


It was blue. I think you road in it to the Bulls game or a bar. I'm older and sleep deprived so I could be wrong.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
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I think the discussion needs to be bifurcated because both points traditionally are a burr in Boilers bottom and they end up getting combined:

-private education
-catholic education

I might not pay for private education. I would still pay for education.



You could send your kids to Parker or Latin. That's really rarified air. There aren't many middle class kids at those places. Maybe a few on scholarship.


strip away everything else, including the education and my religious training has been invaluable to my life.

I don't say this as a saint. Actually, I say this as a person who fails daily.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.


I'm kinda with you but you know the place that you went to school with matters. You're more likely to get the account if you went to the same school than you would if you went to a rival school. You'll usually know those things in your background homework or a "warm up".

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I think the discussion needs to be bifurcated because both points traditionally are a burr in Boilers bottom and they end up getting combined:

-private education
-catholic education

I might not pay for private education. I would still pay for education.



You could send your kids to Parker or Latin. That's really rarified air. There aren't many middle class kids at those places. Maybe a few on scholarship.


strip away everything else, including the education and my religious training has been invaluable to my life.

I don't say this as a saint. Actually, I say this as a person who fails daily.


I know. We've seen you use the quote function.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.


You so desperately want that to be a likely scenario.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I think the discussion needs to be bifurcated because both points traditionally are a burr in Boilers bottom and they end up getting combined:

-private education
-catholic education

I might not pay for private education. I would still pay for education.



You could send your kids to Parker or Latin. That's really rarified air. There aren't many middle class kids at those places. Maybe a few on scholarship.


I'll send you the dates for the games young Crest has this year against U High and Parker.

The noticeable effects of a Catholic education vs a private school education will start before tip-off.

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Here is what I've pulled from going to open houses: Loyola is pulling from 92 zip codes. Ignatius is pulling from about 150. Someone knows.
What point are you making here? We are talking about a total student population equal to the lower end of suburban schools.
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Ignatius has full on alumni associations in at least NY, DC, Philly, LA and probably more if I cared to look. I could probably go to Rome and pull a group together. Yes, in Bangor, Maine it might mean nothing.
What do you think the attendance is of these meetings in towns of millions of people? Enrollment in that school is listed as 1,380. That's a class size of about 350 a year. Multiply that by 50 years and we are talking about a global network of working aged people at 17,500. Yeah, I'm sure they are running things in New York.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.


I'm kinda with you but you know the place that you went to school with matters. You're more likely to get the account if you went to the same school than you would if you went to a rival school. You'll usually know those things in your background homework or a "warm up".
I have no doubt there are scenarios where your high school can have an impact on a relationship later in life. That can be true for a lot of different parts of your past or present.

I was more mocking the idea that a Catholic is going to be shunned in a business deal because they went to public school.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.



Do you think that's how business relationships are formed? I once had a banker hand me a $500,000 that I wasn't going to get because it came out in conversation that he and my partner were Sigma Nu brothers. These things obviously occur a lot more organically than your dopey example above.

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Here is what I've pulled from going to open houses: Loyola is pulling from 92 zip codes. Ignatius is pulling from about 150. Someone knows.
What point are you making here? We are talking about a total student population equal to the lower end of suburban schools..


The point is a refutation that you doubt people in the suburbs know about schools.

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and you may need to talk to Goff about your Range Rover if you think its the same as a Ford

I drive some pretty humble cars and I'll often say to myself how they are no different than the luxury. I drove a luxury for a week and its like being kicked out of paradise, especially in extreme weather


I'm not sure if Lincoln is considered luxury but I had one. It had a great sound system and some extra buttons but I had to be extra cautious in the snow because it was going to fishtail. Towards the end of my ownership the repair costs were insane. The Chrysler 300 I had after cost significantly less and it had the same buttons and fishtailing issue. Outside of the sound system there was no major difference beyond name and cost. I've never driven a $100k car so it's possible that would change my thinking.



I had a Mark VIII for a couple years. It was a great car.

Was your 300 black like the one Heisenberg drives?


It was blue. I think you road in it to the Bulls game or a bar. I'm older and sleep deprived so I could be wrong.


I think I did, but that was before I watched Breaking Bad so the car probably didn't make the same impression on me as it would have later.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.



Do you think that's how business relationships are formed? I once had a banker hand me a $500,000 that I wasn't going to get because it came out in conversation that he and my partner were Sigma Nu brothers. These things obviously occur a lot more organically than your dopey example above.
I was mocking the idea that being Catholic matters but not if you went to public school which is what this thread is about.

I'm not doubting that things from your past can help you in business. The company I work for only looked for a Purdue graduate for my position. I would probably tend to help a Purdue graduate over another school too. However, at least it's a national network of alumni unlike what good dolphin is trying to tell me about the St. Ignatius grads that run things in New York.

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I might send my kid to Fenwick so he can play on the second-rate sports teams. Ignatius parents are way too annoying to associate with.

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[alumni associations in at least NY, DC, Philly, LA and probably more if I cared to look. I could probably go to Rome and pull a group together. Yes, in Bangor, Maine it might mean nothing.
What do you think the attendance is of these meetings in towns of millions of people? Enrollment in that school is listed as 1,380. That's a class size of about 350 a year. Multiply that by 50 years and we are talking about a global network of working aged people at 17,500. Yeah, I'm sure they are running things in New York.[/quote]

You think they moved to bus tables?

I'd say they get 25-50? I'd think the bonds would be even stronger for ex pat types, as they are looking for a little piece of home.

Running things, no. I bet if I called the school and asked for the NY alum pres because I was moving and wanted a lead on employment it would be an effective move.

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I'll send you the dates for the games young Crest has this year against U High and Parker.

The noticeable effects of a Catholic education vs a private school education will start before tip-off.


I seriously doubt this.

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Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.



Do you think that's how business relationships are formed? I once had a banker hand me a $500,000 that I wasn't going to get because it came out in conversation that he and my partner were Sigma Nu brothers. These things obviously occur a lot more organically than your dopey example above.


You knew that going in. How you worked that bullet into a conversation is different. #NetworksMatter

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 Post subject: Re: St Ignatius Donor
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I'll send you the dates for the games young Crest has this year against U High and Parker.

The noticeable effects of a Catholic education vs a private school education will start before tip-off.


I seriously doubt this.


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No one is surprised by this response.

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 Post subject: Re: St Ignatius Donor
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I might send my kid to Fenwick so he can play on the second-rate sports teams. Ignatius parents are way too annoying to associate with.


Shots fired at my less educated family members.

When will the abuse ever end??

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 Post subject: Re: St Ignatius Donor
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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Sure, that's true. I don't think my wife has any idea about such hierarchy. But if you're a Catholic kid in the City you likely do. And I think it goes beyond politics, it's there in business too. Chicago is a very Catholic city. You can see the way the Catholic Leaguers on this board interact. There is a shared experience. And within that experience St. Ignatius is elite.
Salesman: Hi, would you like to buy some of my product?
Potential customer: I am interested, but are you Catholic?
Salesman: Yes
Potential customer: Where did you go to school?
Salesman: Public school
Potential customer: No thanks. Please leave.



Do you think that's how business relationships are formed? I once had a banker hand me a $500,000 that I wasn't going to get because it came out in conversation that he and my partner were Sigma Nu brothers. These things obviously occur a lot more organically than your dopey example above.


You knew that going in. How you worked that bullet into a conversation is different. #NetworksMatter


A fellow board member recently won me a reduction in my property taxes. #CFMBNETWORKMATTERS

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