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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:43 pm 
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IMO, this deal is more about him mentoring and integration of some of these guys. Maybe like 70% the player 30% mentoring.


50 million is a lot to mentor people.


Yes, indeed it is.

But he just led the league in RBI, which, in deference to WAR, is the name of the game.


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tommy wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
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IMO, this deal is more about him mentoring and integration of some of these guys. Maybe like 70% the player 30% mentoring.


50 million is a lot to mentor people.


Yes, indeed it is.

But he just led the league in RBI, which, in deference to WAR, is the name of the game.



But....but....but.... that is opportunity.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Cashman wrote:
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Warren Newson wrote:
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Cashman wrote:
IMO, this deal is more about him mentoring and integration of some of these guys. Maybe like 70% the player 30% mentoring.


50 million is a lot to mentor people.


Yes, indeed it is.

But he just led the league in RBI, which, in deference to WAR, is the name of the game.



But....but....but.... that is opportunity.

Time is the Truthteller.

I'd have liked to see that 32 mildough go to help pay Cole. Seems to me we paid some relatives and a broken down reliever last year and then couldn't come up with 5 million for Manny.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Cashman wrote:
tommy wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Cashman wrote:
IMO, this deal is more about him mentoring and integration of some of these guys. Maybe like 70% the player 30% mentoring.


50 million is a lot to mentor people.


Yes, indeed it is.

But he just led the league in RBI, which, in deference to WAR, is the name of the game.



But....but....but.... that is opportunity.

And he nailed that opportunity into submission.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
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tommy wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Cashman wrote:
IMO, this deal is more about him mentoring and integration of some of these guys. Maybe like 70% the player 30% mentoring.


50 million is a lot to mentor people.


Yes, indeed it is.

But he just led the league in RBI, which, in deference to WAR, is the name of the game.



But....but....but.... that is opportunity.

Time is the Truthteller.

I'd have liked to see that 32 mildough go to help pay Cole. Seems to me we paid some relatives and a broken down reliever last year and then couldn't come up with 5 million for Manny.
I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money.
A) It’s not that much in the scheme of things
B) The number of young (i.e. low salaried) players in the starting lineup along with the replacement of mid level veteran pitchers will provide plenty of flexibility in the next couple of seasons.
C) Abreu is a productive player, good teammate and (apparently) a solid citizen. There’s no reason to expect any of those things to change substantially over the course of 3 years.

My only real question at this point is what happens to Collins? He would seem to be the odd man out going forward.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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If Collins proves to be good enough he will DH and Grandal will simply have to catch and play 1b more. Or he is traded for a good value. It’s not like he disappears if very good.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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If Collins proves to be good enough he will DH and Grandal will simply have to catch and play 1b more. Or he is traded for a good value. It’s not like he disappears if very good.

Grandal at 1st is a total butcher


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money.
A) It’s not that much in the scheme of things
B) The number of young (i.e. low salaried) players in the starting lineup along with the replacement of mid level veteran pitchers will provide plenty of flexibility in the next couple of seasons.
C) Abreu is a productive player, good teammate and (apparently) a solid citizen. There’s no reason to expect any of those things to change substantially over the course of 3 years.

My only real question at this point is what happens to Collins? He would seem to be the odd man out going forward.

I have no concern about money. The White Sox do as evidenced last year. Here's an idea. Don't get outbid for Cole. Then we'll know the White Sox aren't concerned with money.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money.
A) It’s not that much in the scheme of things
B) The number of young (i.e. low salaried) players in the starting lineup along with the replacement of mid level veteran pitchers will provide plenty of flexibility in the next couple of seasons.
C) Abreu is a productive player, good teammate and (apparently) a solid citizen. There’s no reason to expect any of those things to change substantially over the course of 3 years.

My only real question at this point is what happens to Collins? He would seem to be the odd man out going forward.

I have no concern about money. The White Sox do as evidenced last year. Here's an idea. Don't get outbid for Cole. Then we'll know the White Sox aren't concerned with money.


you are upsetting JR

JR torpedoed the Machado negotiations last year. There is nothing he hates more than a long term contract for a pitcher (something about anything over 4 years not being able to be insured, as I remember). Cole isn't coming here and neither is Strasburg. It's best not to even get yourself angry over it.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money.
A) It’s not that much in the scheme of things
B) The number of young (i.e. low salaried) players in the starting lineup along with the replacement of mid level veteran pitchers will provide plenty of flexibility in the next couple of seasons.
C) Abreu is a productive player, good teammate and (apparently) a solid citizen. There’s no reason to expect any of those things to change substantially over the course of 3 years.

My only real question at this point is what happens to Collins? He would seem to be the odd man out going forward.

I have no concern about money. The White Sox do as evidenced last year. Here's an idea. Don't get outbid for Cole. Then we'll know the White Sox aren't concerned with money.


you are upsetting JR

JR torpedoed the Machado negotiations last year. There is nothing he hates more than a long term contract for a pitcher (something about anything over 4 years not being able to be insured, as I remember). Cole isn't coming here and neither is Strasburg. It's best not to even get yourself angry over it.

Just addressing "I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money". I'm well aware Cole isn't coming here. My guess is we will be trying to trick Wheeler or Bumgarner.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money.
A) It’s not that much in the scheme of things
B) The number of young (i.e. low salaried) players in the starting lineup along with the replacement of mid level veteran pitchers will provide plenty of flexibility in the next couple of seasons.
C) Abreu is a productive player, good teammate and (apparently) a solid citizen. There’s no reason to expect any of those things to change substantially over the course of 3 years.

My only real question at this point is what happens to Collins? He would seem to be the odd man out going forward.

I have no concern about money. The White Sox do as evidenced last year. Here's an idea. Don't get outbid for Cole. Then we'll know the White Sox aren't concerned with money.


you are upsetting JR

JR torpedoed the Machado negotiations last year. There is nothing he hates more than a long term contract for a pitcher (something about anything over 4 years not being able to be insured, as I remember). Cole isn't coming here and neither is Strasburg. It's best not to even get yourself angry over it.

Just addressing "I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money". I'm well aware Cole isn't coming here. My guess is we will be trying to trick Wheeler or Bumgarner.


yep and when the market swells on them, we will reset our sights on Ryu. This is JR. This is how he runs a team

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Wheeler would not be a bad move for the Sox.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Wheeler would not be a bad move for the Sox.


He would be a great move. I'd prefer a lefty but I'll take the better pitcher.

He could compare his surgery scars with everyone else on the staff.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I'll go free agent for Baumgarden and trade for Quintana.. Awaiting now the deluge of hate about Quintana. Two lefties would greatly balance the starting rotation. Both of those guys know how to pitch and eat innings. In setting up a pitching staff in the major leagues, it is important to change the "looks" of the pitchers so hitters do not see pretty much the same stuff from consecutive pitchers. Going righty lefty righty etc. is a very good thing. I would also recommend re-signing Ivan Nava to a reasonable extension as a sixth starter and long relief guy. He knows how to pitch and would be a help to the young right handed starters on the team.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Yolmer....he gawn!

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Making way for Madrigal!

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Yolmer is a nice piece to have as a utility player.

Not at 6 million though.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Or another signing.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I get why they did it...but seems crazy that a gold glove winner gets waived :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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That doesn't mean that they can't or won't resign Yolmer for less dough.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I doubt he is back. They could have signed him to something lower if both sides were of the mindset. Sox have plenty in house anyway. Madrigal becomes the 2B for the next decade a few weeks into the year. Same with Robert in CF. Garcia then becomes the supersub he is meant to be, covering every position.

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I get why they did it...but seems crazy that a gold glove winner gets waived :lol:


Putrid obp, low avg, zero power.

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Putrid obp, low avg, zero power.
Leave Almora out of this.

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A new high bidder for Zackmani Wheeler
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2019/11/mlb- ... eeler.html


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Putrid obp, low avg, zero power.
Leave Almora out of this.


That's not a bad comp, great gloves but their offensive production is so poor, you can't start em.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Putrid obp, low avg, zero power.
Leave Almora out of this.


That's not a bad comp, great gloves but their offensive production is so poor, you can't start em.
Agreed. The difference is that Cubs fans presumed Almora was their CF of the future and would appear in MANY All Star games.

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lot of strong feelings at soxtalk by their more connected members that the sox are going to get home and soon on wheeler.

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lot of strong feelings at soxtalk by their more connected members that the sox are going to get home and soon on wheeler.



Not sure I am buying it.


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sox have a long history of getting #2 type pitchers b/c they are too cheap to pay for the top dog. Usually turns out disastrous. Navarro, Smardja, Ritchie, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I’m not sure why there is so much concern about the money.
A) It’s not that much in the scheme of things
B) The number of young (i.e. low salaried) players in the starting lineup along with the replacement of mid level veteran pitchers will provide plenty of flexibility in the next couple of seasons.
C) Abreu is a productive player, good teammate and (apparently) a solid citizen. There’s no reason to expect any of those things to change substantially over the course of 3 years.

My only real question at this point is what happens to Collins? He would seem to be the odd man out going forward.

I have no concern about money. The White Sox do as evidenced last year. Here's an idea. Don't get outbid for Cole. Then we'll know the White Sox aren't concerned with money.


Spending all of that long term money on a pitcher (any pitcher) is not worth the risk. Even the Dodgers, who have as big a budget that exits are regretting their spending so much money on Kershaw who was the best pitcher in the last decade. And he didn't even get hurt. He just got pitched out and isn't even last starter in a good major league rotation right now and can't even be utilized as a dependable reliever.

I think that the Sox should go after a proven good starting pitcher in the 2nd group behind Cole and a couple others. Look, the White So line-up is going to be awesome in the next 3-5 years. They do not need to capture the ERA title for a staff, just be a good staff. They will score beau coup runs. 8) 8)

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