Ok, fair enough.

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We'll see who wins a title first. I know this word is overused in sports, but I'm not positive Bron is a "winner".

I dont blame anyone for wanting LeBron over Paul, but I dont think Im insane for preferring Paul.

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So let me get this straight Nas. You think Gooden was held back in Cleveland and with a PG like Paul he could be a 20-10 guy, right? Given this, you'd rather have LeBron? I understand he is arguably the most talented player in the league, although I think thats Kobe, but Paul himself is one of the most talented players in the league also, makes his teammates better more than Bron, and I would say is more clutch.

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So Nas no longer believes Deng is as good as Lebron?

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I cant wait for Nas's reaction is the rumors are true and the Heat pass on Beasley and take Mayo.

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What would it take for the Bulls to get Beasley in addition to Rose?

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The Heat's pick.

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A new GM

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If you don't think Beasley has a low floor then you are crazy. There is a long list of college scoring machines who were absolute busts in the NBA. Add in the fact that Beasley has some character issues and I could make a case that Rose is the safer pick. Beasley will be a tweener in the NBA. Sometimes that works out well, but sometimes that makes great players average. If he can't guard a 3 or 4 on defense, it's not going to work well for him.

This isn't Lebron James we are talking about here. Beasley is FAR from the sure thing you make him out to be. It is likely that he'll be the best scoring rookie in the league. He'll probably win rookie of the year, especially if he goes to Miami where he can rely on Wade.

Even though everyone discounts this, Beasley's floor is Marcus Fizer. His celing is Elton Brand.
Derrick Rose's floor is better than Kirk Hinrich, and his ceiling is Chris Paul.

Neither one is a sure thing.

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It is being reported that the Miami Heat are not very high on Beasley. They may be looking to swap out of the spot and would prefer to get Mayo or someone else.

Beasley is not the sure thing that everyone is making him out to be.

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Where is the similarity between Brand and Beasley? They are radically dissimilar players. The Fizer comparison is closer, but Beasley is more athletic, more explosive, a better ballhandler, and has a much more complete, polished offensive game than Fizer had coming out of college. B&B have compared Beasley to Derrick Coleman--that reference strikes me as a much more accurate starting point for projecting what Beasley might become in the pros.

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I assume you mean Deng and Noah? If so, I would make that trade.

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If Rose wasn't in this draft and I were the Bulls, I would take Mayo over Beasley

It would take more than that and who the hell would play C for us? Gooden? Gray?

I dont think we should give up Noah, his value isnt high enough and hes more valuable to us than he would be to most other teams.

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Derrick Coleman is probably closer. My Brand comparison partly comes because I could see Beasley putting up a quiet 20/10. Elton Brand always strikes me as a player that puts up good numbers but is never considered to be dominating a game. You almost don't realize that Brand is doing as well as he is.

I see Brand being better than Derrick Coleman and I also see Beasley being better than Derrick Coleman. I can't put Beasley up to a level of Tim Duncan or even probably Karl Malone so Elton Brand is the closest one I can get to. It's not a perfect comparison I know.

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Beasley won't be a PF, he will be more like a Antawn Jamison. A Tweener

That'd be exciting, but damn: talk about a youth movement.

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To me, the question is this: Will Beasley be good enough to be a #1 or #2 on a championship team? If the answere is yes, then you should have no compunctions about trading Deng, who is at best a #3.

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I'm ready to burn this roster down. It's full of role players and devoid of stars. Pax has built his team by focusing on the periphery rather than the core; his thinking needs to be reversed.

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I would make the trade because I am looking for flat out, stone-cold killers. With his athleticism and broad range of skills, Beasley can be such a player, in my opinion (as can Rose). If I have Rose and Beasley on my team, I will have the cornerstones for my championship team in place. The question of who will play center is thus somewhat peripheral. That position could be addressed by trading Hinrich and Gordon or through next year's draft when a good low post player might be available to them, especially since a team starting Rose and Beasley is unlikely to make the playoffs. I would fully advocate sucking for a year to develop Rose and Beasley (and Thabo and Tyrus, to see what they can do) and then getting another reasonable draft pick next year to acquire my third core player.

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Yes, Derrick Coleman was a phenomenally talented player. If he had a better work ethic and less of an ego, he could've been an all-time great player. While I don't think Beasely is as talented as Coleman, his game is similar. And if Beasley has the work ethic that Coleman lacked, he will be a very, very good player--and very quickly, too.

As for the Brand talk, there is just no similarity between the two players. As far as I can tell, Beasley's game is way more diverse than Brand's and Beasley possesses an elite level of athleticism and explosiveness that Brand lacks.

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Yeah, I'm ready to tear the roster down as well; I've already said I'm of the mind that this team is not a tweak-candidate. That said, it's a difference between blowing it up and bringing veterans in and starting over with two 19 year olds. You do that, and you're on a 5 year plan. It'd be fine with me, but I wonder how most would feel about that.

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I'm a Bulls season ticket holder, and if blowing it up and waiting five more years means I'll never again have to watch Hinrich, Duhon, Thomas, Gray etc, it'll be worth it. However, Gordon and Deng are your only chips worth anything, and that's likely the 2 they'll keep

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Beasley seems like GrandMaMa Larry Johnson to me - athletic, undersized scorer/rebounder.

Probably make a real good NBA player but might be prone to break down physically after a few years of being down low. Seems like he'd be a nice player to have but not a dominant guy. However, I only saw him play a limited number of times.

I'd rather they took Rose.

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The more I think about it, my Brand comparison is a little off. I was looking at it on a pure numbers comparison.

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Yeah, I'd rather have Rose, too, but I think Beasley will be a very good NBA player and thus advocate trading to obtain both Beasley and Rose.

I like the Larry Johnson comparison, especially prior to his back injuries. Beasley strikes me as more athletic and more skilled, though.

Good post, Noisy. You've bought yourself a little time off of my foes list.

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I get your point, but it doesnt effect mine. Noah sure as hell wont be a deal-breaker to any team trying to deal Beasley. Therefore, I would move Hinrich or Gordon as you suggested instead of Noah. Gooden's expiring contract would also be more valuable than Noah. I'd rather move Tyrus instead of Noah also, and he would probably be at least as valuable as Noah. Noah is our ONLY Center. Gray isnt even necessarily a decent backup, let alone a starter. I think Noah will be Chandler-like guy in 2 years so I dont think its worth dealing him right now when his value isnt much.

Also I get your point about worrying about the peripheral instead of the core, but why cant you worry about both? All great GM's do, see RC Buford.

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I guess I'm not sure what your point was. If it's that you wouldn't want to trade Noah to acquire Beasley, then I agree. If it's that you wouldn't trade Noah to acquire Beasley, then I vehemently disagree. The Bulls have no core players, and thus everyone's for sale as far as I am concerned.

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Noah's attitude is going to be his biggest problem. Noah seemingly is a head case. I'm not talking about the off season stuff but how he comported himself throughout the season.

I don't think he'll become Ron Artest, but if Noah was as big of an idiot his rookie year then it's only going to get worse.

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Obviously I WOULD trade Noah for Beasley if it came down to that. My point was two-fold.

1.) Noah is more valuable to us then most other teams. He has less value then Gordon, Hinrich, Tyrus, Gooden, etc. I would rather give up one of those guys, because we are deep at all their positions. Noah is our only Center. So therefore, it would be unnecessary to trade him and therefore we shouldnt. If Riley was erratic enough to demand we include him, I guess I would but that wouldnt make sense for the Heat.

2.) A good GM doesnt just focus on core and not role players. Core players will do nothing for you if you cant fill out the rest of the roster, look at KG in Minnesota.

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