I agree. To compare him to James Shields is ridiculous. Shields was on his last legs when they traded for him. Bummer is fine. Maybe he won't be the most dominant pitcher in baseball like he arguably was for a time but he had a good year last year for a bad team. His injuries also were not baseball injuries so I think he has the potential to return to being the bad ass dominant pitcher that he was before and this time for a good team once again.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I don't put him in the same echelon as Verlander who I think is a HOFer. But I do put in in the same class as a healthy Sale and that means he is a stud. He does give up home runs but in this age of the juiced ball and small parks, so what? The White Sox are going to bash the ball throughout the line-up and score beau coup runs. So he wins games 5-4 instead of 3-2. The game has changed and the stats reflect what the equipment and ball parks mean right now.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Conflicting reports that the Sox may sign Marcell Ozuna

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I'm glad he mentioned those two. I love Mendick's tool set and power potential as a guy who can play any infield position as I do Leury's ability to be able to play a decent outfield as well as infield.

I read somewhere that there is talk about them giving Madrigal a look in center field this spring. If he can hack it there, that really could solidify this team all around for years to come.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

That all the more means they have to add some good pitching before they break camp this spring, particularly left handed pitching.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

That would be completely idiotic.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

He must have read it in Grimm's Fairy Tales.

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I remember there was talk about alexei ramirez playing in CF back in the day.

Alexei what's the opening day center fielder back in 2008. Thankfully, that experiment did not last long.

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Levine- "You guys have had a pretty busy off-season..."

Grandal signing plus re-signing Abreu is busy?

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

There's been talk of Madrigal or Timmy moving to CF, mostly coming from Speigel.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

There's only two scenarios I can think of where it might only be marginally idiotic:

1) If they were in the NL and didn't want to carry a full-time backup CF on the 25 man because they expect Luis Robert to start 155 games a year.

2) If they are trading for Dexter Fowler to play CF and they want to be able to shift Madrigal out there for a couple of innings if they have to send somebody to PH for Fowler against a lefty reliever.

Neither of those make any sense for the start of the 2020 season. The only other thing would be if JR misses Ray Durham.

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Why? He should have the skills to play center field and it would fill more of a need than playing him at 2nd base. They should at least try him to see if he can do a good job there. It would save them a lot of money also if they can put Robert in right and Madrigal in center field..

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Hey bozo. As a person who has assessed a lot of baseball talent in my lifetime, I can tell you that baseball teams assess talent in many ways including whether a young player can be slotted according the needs of their major league club. It happens all of the time. There is no certainty that the White Sox will have Robert slated for center field. He very well may be better suited for right field because of the strength of his throwing arm. Center field does not require the arm strength that right field does. Madrigal is supposed to be the fastest player in the Sox entire farm system and speed is the major requirement for a center fielder as well as instinct. Second base, also is next to left field the easiest position to play in baseball and one where fewer physical tools are needed next to first base and left field.

Now then. Since you do not know shit about baseball why don't you just shut up and learn from people who actually do?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I really doubt that they'd spend the kid of money that he would want for a guy who could only play left field or DH.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

The pitching staff would revolt with Eloy and Ozuna in the outfield. Brutal defense.

I advocated for trying Tim Anderson out in center field before but he is past that now as a player. The time to do that stuff is when a kid is just on the cusp not a veteran. I do not know if Madrigal could even play center field. It is a hard position to play well because of the ground that he has to cover and the way the ball spins off the bat. All I know is that on paper guys like Madrigal are tried all of the time for that position and he certainly has the speed to cover the ground. So did Tim Anderson.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Your two scenarios do not make a bit of sense. No one is going to trade for Dexter Fowler. He's a bum. Robert is going to play a full season somewhere, probably center field. They probably will trade for a right fielder that won't break the bank for them. They do need another outfielder that is not currently on the roster.

What I merely brought up is an opinion regarding an option that they have and one in which baseball clubs do all of the time with young blue ribbon prospects with multiple possibilities to the team. Such players are both Robert and Madrigal.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

You need to be very careful stunting growth by moving guys places they aren't comfortable at. It's tough enough being a competent big leaguer. We need Madrigal at 2nd base in 2021. That's all there is to it.

You didn't read the last paragraph. I said neither made sense, but they were the only reasons I could think of unless Madrigal is Eloy-ish at 2B.

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Sox to sign Ozuna?
https://sportsmockery.com/2019/12/repor ... m2Cykoia-4

Ozuna and Jimenez in the same defensive outfield? And Sox fans were laughing at Schwarber and Castallanos.

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Castellanos is Willie Mays compared to that trio.

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I am not buying the Sox will sign anyone of relevance for the rest of FA. My guess is that they are working on trades. IF they sign someone, it will be like a Jon Jay like last year. They are gonna fuck this up for the 2nd year in a row.

I disagree. Madrigal played outfield both in high school and college for awhile. It is also easier to move a guy to the outfield from the infield than it is the other way around. I'm not saying that he will or should end up in the outfield but that they might try him there as it would save them having to pay for a legit right fielder. so don't be surprised if that happens. This isn't a team that spends money like every day is a Black Friday sale.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Ok. I didn't know he had a history in the outfield. The fact remains 2B is there for the taking and it isn't a coincidence Madrigal plays 2nd. Below average arm, I read.

That is not going to happen/ They can't possibly put those two guys in the same outfield.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Moncada is the one who seems the versatile one. He brought it up himself that he'd be willing to go to the outfield.

Ok. I didn't know he had a history in the outfield. The fact remains 2B is there for the taking and it isn't a coincidence Madrigal plays 2nd. Below average arm, I read.[/quote]

The odds are that he will play second base. And with this Ozuna rumor flying around, it really throws things up for grabs. Ozuna did win a Golden Glove in left field two years ago and played a decent center field. But then what happens to Jimenez? He pretty well is either stuck in left field or DH. Maybe they platoon him between DH and LF with Leury filling in for both of them as a defensive sub?

One thing about Ozuna. He is a legit all around hitter who does also draw walks. He should hit the short power alleys well at home.

Anyway, this has started to be a really fun off season with the Sox actively pursuing quality players. Rumors about Bummer continue to be mentioned among other pitchers. Far cry from past history.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

You gotta love guys like Moncada right? He seems like a throwback to the days where players were just happy to be being baseball players. Sanchez, Mendick, and Leury seem like that also.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip