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Agree with that.

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MadBum was great for several years but look at his last 3 yrs...he is an under .500 pitcher. Is that who you really want to back up the brinks truck for?

Not at all.

It's called taking a flyer. I want to take that flyer. 2 of those 3 years he wasn't healthy. And his arm is the same as it ever was. I give him the 5. I give him the 100 mildough. Anything beyond that, "taking a flyer" is reaching the insane level.


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Sox should have grabbed Didi Gregorius, a one year 14 million contract ain't shit. I'd move Moncada to of.

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If the Sox don't cough up the cash to sign either MadBum, Ryu or Keuchel, then that is a disgrace.


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Sounds like it is Steele Walker to the Rangers for Mazara

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Sounds like it is Steele Walker to the Rangers for Mazara


https://670thescore.radio.com/nomar-maz ... r-meetings

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SAN DIEGO (670 The Score) -- The White Sox have made a move to help fill their hole in right field.
The White Sox acquired outfielder Nomar Mazara from the Rangers in exchange for minor league outfielder Steele Walker on Tuesday night, the team announced.
Mazara, 24, hit .268 with 19 homers, 66 RBIs, a .318 on-base percentage and a .786 OPS in 116 games for the Rangers in 2019. Mazara also is a left-handed bat, which the White Sox desired to offset a lineup that was right-handed heavy this past season.
"At just 24 years old, Nomar provides us with a left-handed hitting right fielder who fits into our current team’s development arc and who still has untapped potential," general manager Rick Hahn said in a statement. "Nomar adds yet another young, exciting bat with upside to our lineup."
Mazara hit exactly 20 homers in 2016, 2017 and 2018. He has careers marks of a .261 batting average, a .320 on-base percentage and a .754 OPS. Those aren't eye-popping numbers, but they nonetheless represent a significant upgrade in right field for a White Sox team that had no answer at the position last season. White Sox right fielders combined to hit .220 with six homers, 40 RBIs and a .565 OPS in 2019.
The White Sox believe that Mazara's best years are still ahead of him, and he's under team control through 2021. He's arbitration-eligible and projected to make $5.7 million in 2020.
"He is a strong young man," White Sox manager Rick Renteria said of Mazara earlier in the day Tuesday. "He runs pretty well for a big man. He can defend and has a good arm. He has some good qualities at the plate and can put one in the seats as fast as anybody. In general, he can play right field and help a club."
Walker, 23, was rated as the No. 6 prospect in the White Sox's system, per MLB Pipeline. He hit .284 with 10 homers, 62 RBIs and an .811 OPS in 120 games split across Class-A and advanced Class-A in 2019. The White Sox selected him in the second round of the 2018 amateur draft.


I'm fine with this. Lefty power-hitter who plays at least average defense and controlled through 2021 is perfect.

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Angels and Dodgers will end up getting one of Ryu/Madbum. That will leave the White Sox with hot garbage.


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Sounds like it is Steele Walker to the Rangers for Mazara


https://670thescore.radio.com/nomar-maz ... r-meetings

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SAN DIEGO (670 The Score) -- The White Sox have made a move to help fill their hole in right field.
The White Sox acquired outfielder Nomar Mazara from the Rangers in exchange for minor league outfielder Steele Walker on Tuesday night, the team announced.
Mazara, 24, hit .268 with 19 homers, 66 RBIs, a .318 on-base percentage and a .786 OPS in 116 games for the Rangers in 2019. Mazara also is a left-handed bat, which the White Sox desired to offset a lineup that was right-handed heavy this past season.
"At just 24 years old, Nomar provides us with a left-handed hitting right fielder who fits into our current team’s development arc and who still has untapped potential," general manager Rick Hahn said in a statement. "Nomar adds yet another young, exciting bat with upside to our lineup."
Mazara hit exactly 20 homers in 2016, 2017 and 2018. He has careers marks of a .261 batting average, a .320 on-base percentage and a .754 OPS. Those aren't eye-popping numbers, but they nonetheless represent a significant upgrade in right field for a White Sox team that had no answer at the position last season. White Sox right fielders combined to hit .220 with six homers, 40 RBIs and a .565 OPS in 2019.
The White Sox believe that Mazara's best years are still ahead of him, and he's under team control through 2021. He's arbitration-eligible and projected to make $5.7 million in 2020.
"He is a strong young man," White Sox manager Rick Renteria said of Mazara earlier in the day Tuesday. "He runs pretty well for a big man. He can defend and has a good arm. He has some good qualities at the plate and can put one in the seats as fast as anybody. In general, he can play right field and help a club."
Walker, 23, was rated as the No. 6 prospect in the White Sox's system, per MLB Pipeline. He hit .284 with 10 homers, 62 RBIs and an .811 OPS in 120 games split across Class-A and advanced Class-A in 2019. The White Sox selected him in the second round of the 2018 amateur draft.


I'm fine with this. Lefty power-hitter who plays at least average defense and controlled through 2021 is perfect.



He is good for 20hrs, I am good with him.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Sounds like it is Steele Walker to the Rangers for Mazara


https://670thescore.radio.com/nomar-maz ... r-meetings

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SAN DIEGO (670 The Score) -- The White Sox have made a move to help fill their hole in right field.
The White Sox acquired outfielder Nomar Mazara from the Rangers in exchange for minor league outfielder Steele Walker on Tuesday night, the team announced.
Mazara, 24, hit .268 with 19 homers, 66 RBIs, a .318 on-base percentage and a .786 OPS in 116 games for the Rangers in 2019. Mazara also is a left-handed bat, which the White Sox desired to offset a lineup that was right-handed heavy this past season.
"At just 24 years old, Nomar provides us with a left-handed hitting right fielder who fits into our current team’s development arc and who still has untapped potential," general manager Rick Hahn said in a statement. "Nomar adds yet another young, exciting bat with upside to our lineup."
Mazara hit exactly 20 homers in 2016, 2017 and 2018. He has careers marks of a .261 batting average, a .320 on-base percentage and a .754 OPS. Those aren't eye-popping numbers, but they nonetheless represent a significant upgrade in right field for a White Sox team that had no answer at the position last season. White Sox right fielders combined to hit .220 with six homers, 40 RBIs and a .565 OPS in 2019.
The White Sox believe that Mazara's best years are still ahead of him, and he's under team control through 2021. He's arbitration-eligible and projected to make $5.7 million in 2020.
"He is a strong young man," White Sox manager Rick Renteria said of Mazara earlier in the day Tuesday. "He runs pretty well for a big man. He can defend and has a good arm. He has some good qualities at the plate and can put one in the seats as fast as anybody. In general, he can play right field and help a club."
Walker, 23, was rated as the No. 6 prospect in the White Sox's system, per MLB Pipeline. He hit .284 with 10 homers, 62 RBIs and an .811 OPS in 120 games split across Class-A and advanced Class-A in 2019. The White Sox selected him in the second round of the 2018 amateur draft.


I'm fine with this. Lefty power-hitter who plays at least average defense and controlled through 2021 is perfect.


I'm fine with it too. Maybe the guy is what he is, but he's only 24 years old and a significant number of guys throughout baseball history have made giant leaps forward at 26/27 years of age. I remember reading an article that called them "26 Guys". I tried to find the article just now but instead only found this one "debunking" it, though if you actually read the article, he kinda sorta confirms it more than debunking it:
https://www.espn.com/fantasy/baseball/f ... =age27myth

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Seems like a huge upgrade for a marginal prospect .

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$62 million = Gerrit Cole ($36 mil) + Giancarlo Stanton ($26 mil)

2020 payroll based on current rosters
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$75 mil Tigers
$72 mil White Sox
$66 mil Royals
$60 mil Brewers
$59 mil Pirates
$54 mil Blue Jays
$43 mil Orioles
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Maybe he ends up being the player Avi Garcia was supposed to be.

What're the chances Steele Walker Texas Ranger becomes another Tatis?

That can't happen again, right?

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Maybe he ends up being the player Avi Garcia was supposed to be.

What're the chances Steele Walker Texas Ranger becomes another Tatis?

That can't happen again, right?


0%, he can't hit lefties.


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Maybe he ends up being the player Avi Garcia was supposed to be.

What're the chances Steele Walker Texas Ranger becomes another Tatis?

That can't happen again, right?


0%, he can't hit lefties.


Our new guy can't hit lefties or Walker can't?

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Maybe he ends up being the player Avi Garcia was supposed to be.

What're the chances Steele Walker Texas Ranger becomes another Tatis?

That can't happen again, right?


0%, he can't hit lefties.


Our new guy can't hit lefties or Walker can't?



Walker definitely can't. Our guy probably can't, but at worst he's a big league platoon player.

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Maybe he ends up being the player Avi Garcia was supposed to be.

What're the chances Steele Walker Texas Ranger becomes another Tatis?

That can't happen again, right?


0%, he can't hit lefties.


Our new guy can't hit lefties or Walker can't?



Walker definitely can't. Our guy probably can't, but at worst he's a big league platoon player.



Walker was supposedly the 2nd best hitter in that draft(behind Madrigal), and can't hit lefties at A ball.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Hussra wrote:
$62 million = Gerrit Cole ($36 mil) + Giancarlo Stanton ($26 mil)

2020 payroll based on current rosters
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$75 mil Tigers
$72 mil White Sox
$66 mil Royals
$60 mil Brewers
$59 mil Pirates
$54 mil Blue Jays
$43 mil Orioles
$33 mil Marlins



That Stanton deal might be the worst in MLB. This Cole deal is a bad one, he's 29, he'll be a 5th starter by the time he's 34 or 35.

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Fine as a stop gap....the cost appears nothing. He is at best a platoon player, but man....the little league ballpark in TX plus the juiced ball last year and he only had 20 HR? Fine for a cheap insurance policy in right field, but definitely not what I'd call a long-term solution.

I'll feel anxious until they figure out the left-handed starter. They need to stop jerking off in the corner and get moving on one of the three: Bumgarner, Ryu, Keuchel. The market is now set.....pay it. It's their own damn fault they're in this mess. I have the most faith in Bumgarner. It's risky and going to be expensive, but no choice.

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Almost 2000 major league at bats. Average hitter, poor defender. Better than the garbage out there last year, but won't improve the team significantly .


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312player wrote:
Hussra wrote:
$62 million = Gerrit Cole ($36 mil) + Giancarlo Stanton ($26 mil)

2020 payroll based on current rosters
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$75 mil Tigers
$72 mil White Sox
$66 mil Royals
$60 mil Brewers
$59 mil Pirates
$54 mil Blue Jays
$43 mil Orioles
$33 mil Marlins



That Stanton deal might be the worst in MLB. This Cole deal is a bad one, he's 29, he'll be a 5th starter by the time he's 34 or 35.


I love watching Cole pitch, but that deal (length mainly) is just crazy. The one thing these type of deals might do is get the high payroll teams to join the union in getting rid of the payroll tax.

In baseball it is tough to devote that much of your payroll to only a few players when you need five starters and a 25 man roster. As soon as your long term guys get old or hurt, there is no payroll left to replace them. The only alternative is to field a few high priced guys and then use all cost controlled guys.

I doubt most GM’s will be able to manage that for an extended period of time.

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26 man roster now, they added a spot.

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26 man roster now, they added a spot.


Great even more pitching changes.

I fucking love baseball and will always be a fan. But I am not crazy about the direction of on field play. The three outcome at bats and constant pitching changes are annoying. I am not sure those are great strategic moves either.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Cashman wrote:
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Maybe he ends up being the player Avi Garcia was supposed to be.

What're the chances Steele Walker Texas Ranger becomes another Tatis?

That can't happen again, right?


0%, he can't hit lefties.


Our new guy can't hit lefties or Walker can't?



Walker definitely can't. Our guy probably can't, but at worst he's a big league platoon player.


No, our new guy definitely can't either.

He's a platoon OF. They must love the idea as they wanted Joc Pederson as well. Adam Engel has uncanny staying power with this team.

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26 man roster now, they added a spot.


Great even more pitching changes.

I fucking love baseball and will always be a fan. But I am not crazy about the direction of on field play. The three outcome at bats and constant pitching changes are annoying. I am not sure those are great strategic moves either.

Completely agree, the damage is already done in terms of the ridiculous pitching changes. I don't think the 26 man roster will make it any worse than it already is.

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So we got another platoon player.

Big thinking Ricky.

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26 man roster now, they added a spot.


Great even more pitching changes.

I fucking love baseball and will always be a fan. But I am not crazy about the direction of on field play. The three outcome at bats and constant pitching changes are annoying. I am not sure those are great strategic moves either.



I'm not exactly sure about the new roster rules, but I think there is a limit on pitchers. Players have to be designated as position players or pitchers. Position players can no longer pitch unless the differential is 6 runs or the game is in extra innings.

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26 man roster now, they added a spot.


Great even more pitching changes.

I fucking love baseball and will always be a fan. But I am not crazy about the direction of on field play. The three outcome at bats and constant pitching changes are annoying. I am not sure those are great strategic moves either.

Completely agree, the damage is already done in terms of the ridiculous pitching changes. I don't think the 26 man roster will make it any worse than it already is.



Also, doesn't the new rule regarding pitchers not being able to face a single batter kick in this season?

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Fine as a stop gap....the cost appears nothing. He is at best a platoon player, but man....the little league ballpark in TX plus the juiced ball last year and he only had 20 HR? Fine for a cheap insurance policy in right field, but definitely not what I'd call a long-term solution.

I'll feel anxious until they figure out the left-handed starter. They need to stop jerking off in the corner and get moving on one of the three: Bumgarner, Ryu, Keuchel. The market is now set.....pay it. It's their own damn fault they're in this mess. I have the most faith in Bumgarner. It's risky and going to be expensive, but no choice.


I think I'd define this move as uninspiring.

I don't know what Steele Walker will be. He sounds pretty similar to Mazara, except a capable defender with less power. He obviously is cheaper.

Irrespective of Walker, why trade for an uninspiring player when there are at least equally capable people available in FA and you have plenty of money?

This is one of those typical KW/Hahn moves where they become obsessed with a player at some point in his career and are dogged in their pursuit of him even after he proves himself incapable.

Mazara is just filler, nondescript, league average type corner OF. He won't suck badly enough to hate him or be good enough to cheer for. In two years, he will be gone leaving no mark. Why trade for that guy?

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26 man roster now, they added a spot.


Great even more pitching changes.

I fucking love baseball and will always be a fan. But I am not crazy about the direction of on field play. The three outcome at bats and constant pitching changes are annoying. I am not sure those are great strategic moves either.

Completely agree, the damage is already done in terms of the ridiculous pitching changes. I don't think the 26 man roster will make it any worse than it already is.



Also, doesn't the new rule regarding pitchers not being able to face a single batter kick in this season?


Nothing is going to change until you ban nerds from running teams. They've ruined baseball.

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denisdman wrote:
312player wrote:
26 man roster now, they added a spot.


Great even more pitching changes.

I fucking love baseball and will always be a fan. But I am not crazy about the direction of on field play. The three outcome at bats and constant pitching changes are annoying. I am not sure those are great strategic moves either.

Completely agree, the damage is already done in terms of the ridiculous pitching changes. I don't think the 26 man roster will make it any worse than it already is.



Also, doesn't the new rule regarding pitchers not being able to face a single batter kick in this season?


Nothing is going to change until you ban nerds from running teams. They've ruined baseball.


I can't blame technology. The people in charge should be looking to make changes that align winning strategy and entertainment. That isn't happening. In fact, most of the changes they have been making do the opposite.

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Fine as a stop gap....the cost appears nothing. He is at best a platoon player, but man....the little league ballpark in TX plus the juiced ball last year and he only had 20 HR? Fine for a cheap insurance policy in right field, but definitely not what I'd call a long-term solution.

I'll feel anxious until they figure out the left-handed starter. They need to stop jerking off in the corner and get moving on one of the three: Bumgarner, Ryu, Keuchel. The market is now set.....pay it. It's their own damn fault they're in this mess. I have the most faith in Bumgarner. It's risky and going to be expensive, but no choice.


I think I'd define this move as uninspiring.

I don't know what Steele Walker will be. He sounds pretty similar to Mazara, except a capable defender with less power. He obviously is cheaper.

Irrespective of Walker, why trade for an uninspiring player when there are at least equally capable people available in FA and you have plenty of money?

This is one of those typical KW/Hahn moves where they become obsessed with a player at some point in his career and are dogged in their pursuit of him even after he proves himself incapable.

Mazara is just filler, nondescript, league average type corner OF. He won't suck badly enough to hate him or be good enough to cheer for. In two years, he will be gone leaving no mark. Why trade for that guy?



I know this is gonna be a reach, but I am hoping he becomes Jorge Soler 2.0 with the Royals.


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