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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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They are way better offensively and defensively adding Mazara and Grandal. That's fifty more HR right there. Not just gross fifty more HR, net fifty more HR over whatever they would've played at those positions already. Start penciling in an optimistic debut for Robert and a glass-half-full progression of Eloy and Moncada...the Sox are going to score a lot. No doubt about it. What they've done to shore up the batting order is commendable.

But yea, its hard to watch all these pitchers sign and know the Sox stand no real chance at getting any of them. Even Ryu would be a massive help...but that's just not a contract they seem willing to hand out. They're just going to try and catch lightning in a bottle again.


50 more home runs? How did you come up with that? Did Catcher and RF have zero last year?


I suppose you might think that Mazara would certainly add 20-25 more home runs in right field. And I would also say that both McCann and Grandal can both be in the batting order at the same time, one catching and the other being a DH. So while basically you would not be adding home runs from the catching position per se, you would be adding around 25 or so more home runs over all to the team.

Look, to deny that this team is going to have a dominant batting order is ridiculous.

1. Anderson -- SS 20+ HRS 75 -80 RBIs

2. Moncada -- 3B 25+ HRS 85-90 RBIs

3. Abreu -- 1B 35+ HRS 100-110 RBIs

4. Jimenez -- LF 40+ HRS 110-110 RBIs

5. Grandal -- C/DH 25-30 HRS 75-80 RBIs

6. Robert -- CF 20-25 HRS 70-75 RBIs

7. Mazura -- RF 20-25 HRS 75- 80 RBIs

8. McCann -- C/DH 15-20 HRS 65-70 RBIs

9. Mendick -- 2B 10-15 HRs 60-65 RBIs


a lot of speculation there. You realize that those numbers are not going to happen across the board, right?

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They are way better offensively and defensively adding Mazara and Grandal. That's fifty more HR right there. Not just gross fifty more HR, net fifty more HR over whatever they would've played at those positions already. Start penciling in an optimistic debut for Robert and a glass-half-full progression of Eloy and Moncada...the Sox are going to score a lot. No doubt about it. What they've done to shore up the batting order is commendable.

But yea, its hard to watch all these pitchers sign and know the Sox stand no real chance at getting any of them. Even Ryu would be a massive help...but that's just not a contract they seem willing to hand out. They're just going to try and catch lightning in a bottle again.


50 more home runs? How did you come up with that? Did Catcher and RF have zero last year?


I suppose you might think that Mazara would certainly add 20-25 more home runs in right field. And I would also say that both McCann and Grandal can both be in the batting order at the same time, one catching and the other being a DH. So while basically you would not be adding home runs from the catching position per se, you would be adding around 25 or so more home runs over all to the team.

Look, to deny that this team is going to have a dominant batting order is ridiculous.

1. Anderson -- SS 20+ HRS 75 -80 RBIs

2. Moncada -- 3B 25+ HRS 85-90 RBIs

3. Abreu -- 1B 35+ HRS 100-110 RBIs

4. Jimenez -- LF 40+ HRS 110-110 RBIs

5. Grandal -- C/DH 25-30 HRS 75-80 RBIs

6. Robert -- CF 20-25 HRS 70-75 RBIs

7. Mazura -- RF 20-25 HRS 75- 80 RBIs

8. McCann -- C/DH 15-20 HRS 65-70 RBIs

9. Mendick -- 2B 10-15 HRs 60-65 RBIs


a lot of speculation there. You realize that those numbers are not going to happen across the board, right?


True. But my point is that if they are healthy, they are going to approach those kind of numbers. Every guy in that line-up is a good to great major league hitter at his respective position. The improvements offensively in right field, center field, and DH are going to be big ones. I also think second base is going to see a big production improvement. Last season we saw a bunch of 3A caliber guys playing center and right field as well as DH. The bottom of the order was weak, particularly in the power and RBI department. Now there are no weak spots. 8) 8) 8)

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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They are way better offensively and defensively adding Mazara and Grandal. That's fifty more HR right there. Not just gross fifty more HR, net fifty more HR over whatever they would've played at those positions already. Start penciling in an optimistic debut for Robert and a glass-half-full progression of Eloy and Moncada...the Sox are going to score a lot. No doubt about it. What they've done to shore up the batting order is commendable.

But yea, its hard to watch all these pitchers sign and know the Sox stand no real chance at getting any of them. Even Ryu would be a massive help...but that's just not a contract they seem willing to hand out. They're just going to try and catch lightning in a bottle again.


50 more home runs? How did you come up with that? Did Catcher and RF have zero last year?


I suppose you might think that Mazara would certainly add 20-25 more home runs in right field. And I would also say that both McCann and Grandal can both be in the batting order at the same time, one catching and the other being a DH. So while basically you would not be adding home runs from the catching position per se, you would be adding around 25 or so more home runs over all to the team.

Look, to deny that this team is going to have a dominant batting order is ridiculous.

1. Anderson -- SS 20+ HRS 75 -80 RBIs

2. Moncada -- 3B 25+ HRS 85-90 RBIs

3. Abreu -- 1B 35+ HRS 100-110 RBIs

4. Jimenez -- LF 40+ HRS 110-110 RBIs

5. Grandal -- C/DH 25-30 HRS 75-80 RBIs

6. Robert -- CF 20-25 HRS 70-75 RBIs

7. Mazura -- RF 20-25 HRS 75- 80 RBIs

8. McCann -- C/DH 15-20 HRS 65-70 RBIs

9. Mendick -- 2B 10-15 HRs 60-65 RBIs


a lot of speculation there. You realize that those numbers are not going to happen across the board, right?


True. But my point is that if they are healthy, they are going to approach those kind of numbers. Every guy in that line-up is a good to great major league hitter at his respective position. The improvements offensively in right field, center field, and DH are going to be big ones. I also think second base is going to see a big production improvement. Last season we saw a bunch of 3A caliber guys playing center and right field as well as DH. The bottom of the order was weak, particularly in the power and RBI department. Now there are no weak spots. 8) 8) 8)


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Sox letting a lot of 2nd/3rd tier pitchers get signed.


Yeah? Who? What is a "lot"? And what defines who 2nd and 3rd tier guys were? They shouldn't be just signing pitchers in order to check a box. They need two GOOD starting pitchers, preferably left handers. There are rumors right now that they are talking to the Red Sox about David Price as well as in the discussions about Bummer. Those two aren't 2nd or 3rd tier guys. Personally, I wouldn't want Price because he is making $32 M and looks ouchy to me. That works out to $100M for a pretty risky player plus you'd be giving up some young talent in the process. Don't want him with those things in mind.

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'77Cubs wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
juschill wrote:
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They are way better offensively and defensively adding Mazara and Grandal. That's fifty more HR right there. Not just gross fifty more HR, net fifty more HR over whatever they would've played at those positions already. Start penciling in an optimistic debut for Robert and a glass-half-full progression of Eloy and Moncada...the Sox are going to score a lot. No doubt about it. What they've done to shore up the batting order is commendable.

But yea, its hard to watch all these pitchers sign and know the Sox stand no real chance at getting any of them. Even Ryu would be a massive help...but that's just not a contract they seem willing to hand out. They're just going to try and catch lightning in a bottle again.


50 more home runs? How did you come up with that? Did Catcher and RF have zero last year?


I suppose you might think that Mazara would certainly add 20-25 more home runs in right field. And I would also say that both McCann and Grandal can both be in the batting order at the same time, one catching and the other being a DH. So while basically you would not be adding home runs from the catching position per se, you would be adding around 25 or so more home runs over all to the team.

Look, to deny that this team is going to have a dominant batting order is ridiculous.

1. Anderson -- SS 20+ HRS 75 -80 RBIs

2. Moncada -- 3B 25+ HRS 85-90 RBIs

3. Abreu -- 1B 35+ HRS 100-110 RBIs

4. Jimenez -- LF 40+ HRS 110-110 RBIs

5. Grandal -- C/DH 25-30 HRS 75-80 RBIs

6. Robert -- CF 20-25 HRS 70-75 RBIs

7. Mazura -- RF 20-25 HRS 75- 80 RBIs

8. McCann -- C/DH 15-20 HRS 65-70 RBIs

9. Mendick -- 2B 10-15 HRs 60-65 RBIs


a lot of speculation there. You realize that those numbers are not going to happen across the board, right?


True. But my point is that if they are healthy, they are going to approach those kind of numbers. Every guy in that line-up is a good to great major league hitter at his respective position. The improvements offensively in right field, center field, and DH are going to be big ones. I also think second base is going to see a big production improvement. Last season we saw a bunch of 3A caliber guys playing center and right field as well as DH. The bottom of the order was weak, particularly in the power and RBI department. Now there are no weak spots. 8) 8) 8)


Isn't it Jan 1 before marijuana is legalized? And aren't hallucinogenics still illegal??

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Name the person whose projection you feel are out of the question. They did have a bunch of 3A guys playing center field, right field, and DH for a good percentage of the season along with a weak hitting second baseman. Worry about your sad team, the woesome whittle Cubbies.

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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.


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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.



So are the Twins still trying?

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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.



So are the Twins still trying?


They're the only ones.

The Sox would automatically be the second best team in the division now, and could easily contend if they sign some decent pitching.

I don't think they will though

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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.



No thanks for the White Sox. He's 34, coming off a bad year before the injuries and has this year plus an option for '21. He's not Verlander and the Sox aren't at the Astros' level yet.

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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.



No thanks for the White Sox. He's 34, coming off a bad year before the injuries and has this year plus an option for '21. He's not Verlander and the Sox aren't at the Astros' level yet.


I don't even mean getting Kluber.

But the Indians are dismantling their team, the Royals and Tigers are abysmal.

The Sox could be in a great position if they wanted to win.

Unfortunately they don't so they'll waste another opportunity.

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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.



No thanks for the White Sox. He's 34, coming off a bad year before the injuries and has this year plus an option for '21. He's not Verlander and the Sox aren't at the Astros' level yet.


I don't even mean getting Kluber.

But the Indians are dismantling their team, the Royals and Tigers are abysmal.

The Sox could be in a great position if they wanted to win.

Unfortunately they don't so they'll waste another opportunity.

Twins are going to be good for a while. 7th ranked farm system. Ahead of everybody in the division. Cleveland trading Kluber and possibly Lindor is great. It's also good he and Rendon sign with teams that really have no hope of being WS contenders. For the 2021 target, It's Yanks, Twins, Astros as main competition.
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Name the person whose projection you feel are out of the question.


I can't really say on an individual basis, but you've got them hitting about 250 home runs if you consider the bench guys and I highly doubt that is going to occur.

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The big question for the Indians is if they can extend Lindor or are they going to trade him to the Dodgers for three or four prospects.

The Twins are a mirage. The White Sox have to do something now.

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Man if only this was a time to try and win. Oh well. Wait til 2021.



No thanks for the White Sox. He's 34, coming off a bad year before the injuries and has this year plus an option for '21. He's not Verlander and the Sox aren't at the Astros' level yet.


I don't even mean getting Kluber.

But the Indians are dismantling their team, the Royals and Tigers are abysmal.

The Sox could be in a great position if they wanted to win.

Unfortunately they don't so they'll waste another opportunity.


Offseason is still young. If they don't land some quality veteran starting pitching via FA or trade, then I'll agree with you.

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The big question for the Indians is if they can extend Lindor or are they going to trade him to the Dodgers for three or four prospects.

The Twins are a mirage. The White Sox have to do something now.


Twins' offense hid a lot of problems they had with starting pitching. That won't happen again this year.

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The big question for the Indians is if they can extend Lindor or are they going to trade him to the Dodgers for three or four prospects.

The Twins are a mirage. The White Sox have to do something now.


Twins' offense hid a lot of problems they had with starting pitching. That won't happen again this year.

In this division? Yes it will.
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The big question for the Indians is if they can extend Lindor or are they going to trade him to the Dodgers for three or four prospects.

The Twins are a mirage. The White Sox have to do something now.


They did. They passed on MadBum.
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The big question for the Indians is if they can extend Lindor or are they going to trade him to the Dodgers for three or four prospects.

The Twins are a mirage. The White Sox have to do something now.


Twins' offense hid a lot of problems they had with starting pitching. That won't happen again this year.

In this division? Yes it will.


The link in there talks about Zack Duke.

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Very reasonable. He could have mentored the young staff. Oh well.
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5 years 85 million.

If that's the number, and Sox weren't in on it, fuck the Sox.

EDIT: 85 Million.

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5 years 85 million.

If that's the number, and Sox weren't in on it, fuck the Sox.

EDIT: 85 Million.

15 million deferred.

Very reasonable deal there...MadBum hasn't been that good the last 3 years, but that would have been a solid signing for the Sox

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5 years 85 million.

If that's the number, and Sox weren't in on it, fuck the Sox.

EDIT: 85 Million.

15 million deferred.

Very reasonable deal there...MadBum hasn't been that good the last 3 years, but that would have been a solid signing for the Sox


Exactly.

17 million a year for him to be a good 2nd/3rd starter on a playoff team.

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Ryu and Keuchel gonna get around 15-18 per year.

Sox aren't gonna pay that.

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5 years 85 million.

If that's the number, and Sox weren't in on it, fuck the Sox.

EDIT: 85 Million.

15 million deferred.

Very reasonable deal there...MadBum hasn't been that good the last 3 years, but that would have been a solid signing for the Sox


Exactly.

17 million a year for him to be a good 2nd/3rd starter on a playoff team.


Sox fans should be outraged. They miss out on Wheeler and now MadBum. Will they pop for Ryu or Keuchel or just make more excuses?
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5 years 85 million.

If that's the number, and Sox weren't in on it, fuck the Sox.

EDIT: 85 Million.

15 million deferred.

Very reasonable deal there...MadBum hasn't been that good the last 3 years, but that would have been a solid signing for the Sox


Exactly.

17 million a year for him to be a good 2nd/3rd starter on a playoff team.


Sox fans should be outraged. They miss out on Wheeler and now MadBum. Will they pop for Ryu or Keuchel or just make more excuses?


Excuses of course.

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