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They fucked up with the coach. There's a lot more to a football team than a QB and they got infatuated with him and Baker.


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Kitchens never should have been interviewed let alone hired.

They need to fire his ass in 3 weeks and get a competent coach.

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Kitchens never should have been interviewed let alone hired.

They need to fire his ass in 3 weeks and get a competent coach.


It's more than the coach buddy. Mayfield is twice as bad as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


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Caller Bob wrote:
312player wrote:
Kitchens never should have been interviewed let alone hired.

They need to fire his ass in 3 weeks and get a competent coach.


It's more than the coach buddy. Mayfield is twice as bad as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


I'd trade Mitch for Baker in a heartbeat

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312player wrote:
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312player wrote:
Kitchens never should have been interviewed let alone hired.

They need to fire his ass in 3 weeks and get a competent coach.


It's more than the coach buddy. Mayfield is twice as bad as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


I'd trade Mitch for Baker in a heartbeat

He's thrown as many INT's as TD's. That is unheard of level of shitty in today's NFL. Get real.


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Kitchens never should have been interviewed let alone hired.

They need to fire his ass in 3 weeks and get a competent coach.


It's more than the coach buddy. Mayfield is twice as bad as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


I'd trade Mitch for Baker in a heartbeat


Of course you would. Mayfield has been worse in nearly every way despite superior talent.

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Mitch vs Baker is a tough one. Baker’s rookie season has been the best stretch either has showed but I’d probably take Mitch over him going forward.

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They both suck.. at least Baker thinks he's great. Mitch has no confidence.

Baker will win a playoff game before Mitch.

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They both suck.. at least Baker thinks he's great. Mitch has no confidence.

Baker will win a playoff game before Mitch.


OBJ is going to demand a trade. I bet Hunt walks too. All the talent is going to leave.


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Obj is a cancer, good riddance.

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Obj is a cancer, good riddance.

Baker is a bigger cancer

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Obj is the next terell Owens.. he'll never win a god damn thing.

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Obj is the next terell Owens.. he'll never win a god damn thing.

TO would have won a super bowl playing on one leg if McNabb wasn’t a mental midget. Bad take.

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Baker will win a playoff game before Mitch.

:lol: not in cleveland

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312player wrote:
They both suck.. at least Baker thinks he's great. Mitch has no confidence.

Baker will win a playoff game before Mitch.


Baker hasn't played well this season and he throws everyone under the bus. If he continues to regress he'll be out of football in a few years. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a hard worker and great teammate that finally told Nagy to get the fuck out of the way. He's played well and with confidence since that time. If he flames out as a starter he'll still have a 12 year career because of his character.

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 Post subject: Re: Cleveland Browns
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Nas wrote:
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They both suck.. at least Baker thinks he's great. Mitch has no confidence.

Baker will win a playoff game before Mitch.


Baker hasn't played well this season and he throws everyone under the bus. If he continues to regress he'll be out of football in a few years. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a hard worker and great teammate that finally told Nagy to get the fuck out of the way. He's played well and with confidence since that time. If he flames out as a starter he'll still have a 12 year career because of his character.

Looking forward to Mitch backing up Rodgers in a couple years. Should be a big upgrade over Tim Boyle.

Baker will be the 2022 XFL MVP so he has a good future too.

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They both suck.. at least Baker thinks he's great. Mitch has no confidence.

Baker will win a playoff game before Mitch.


Baker hasn't played well this season and he throws everyone under the bus. If he continues to regress he'll be out of football in a few years. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a hard worker and great teammate that finally told Nagy to get the fuck out of the way. He's played well and with confidence since that time. If he flames out as a starter he'll still have a 12 year career because of his character.

Looking forward to Mitch backing up Rodgers in a couple years. Should be a big upgrade over Tim Boyle.

Baker will be the 2022 XFL MVP so he has a good future too.


Fairly certain (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky likes attractive women.

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Its a what-have-you-done-for-me lately league. From a pure football perspective Mitch is ahead of Baker, but the age and contract considerations (though one by one year) probably even it out.

Both are dealing with bad head coaches who are holding them back, but I reckon Nagy is still a lot better than Kitchens.


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Its a what-have-you-done-for-me lately league. From a pure football perspective Mitch is ahead of Baker, but the age and contract considerations (though one by one year) probably even it out.

Both are dealing with bad head coaches who are holding them back, but I reckon Nagy is still a lot better than Kitchens.


Let's not forget that Baker wanted Kitchens. Now he's burned it up.

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Sam Darnold > Mitch > Baker

And Mitch has far and away the best coach of the three.

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Sam Darnold > Mitch > Baker

And Mitch has far and away the best coach of the three.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky > Allen > Darnold > Baker

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has less talent and a coach who was trying to highlight every flaw (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has with his play calling.

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Allen's the wildcard of the group. Not sure what to make of him yet. I think he's probably the least talented but has the best coach of the four. I'm interested to see how he does against NE this week. If he's Peterman-esque again that would be alarming.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has less talent and a coach who was trying to highlight every flaw (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has with his play calling.

If you had a button that had Gase and Nagy switch teams if you pushed it and you pushed it you would regret it almost instantly.

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Allen's the wildcard of the group. Not sure what to make of him yet. I think he's probably the least talented but has the best coach of the four. I'm interested to see how he does against NE this week. If he's Peterman-esque again that would be alarming.


He is. The numbers aren't good but he keeps you intrigued about what he could be. He's similar to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky in some ways minus the scrutiny.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has less talent and a coach who was trying to highlight every flaw (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has with his play calling.

If you had a button that had Gase and Nagy switch teams if you pushed it and you pushed it you would regret it almost instantly.


Gase made Cutler competent.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has less talent and a coach who was trying to highlight every flaw (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has with his play calling.

If you had a button that had Gase and Nagy switch teams if you pushed it and you pushed it you would regret it almost instantly.


Gase made Cutler competent.

Cutler’s always been competent. Kenyan Drake, Davante Parker, and Ryan Tannehill look 10x better without Gase coaching them. He’s widely regarded as one of the worst head coaches in the league.


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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has less talent and a coach who was trying to highlight every flaw (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has with his play calling.

If you had a button that had Gase and Nagy switch teams if you pushed it and you pushed it you would regret it almost instantly.


Gase made Cutler competent.

Cutler’s always been competent. Kenyan Drake, Davante Parker, and Ryan Tannehill look 10x better without Gase coaching them. He’s widely regarded as one of the worst head coaches in the league.



Cutler absolutely sucked outside of a brief moment with Martz. He was better with Gase. Tannehill was fine before the injury.

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Cutler's been the same guy his entire career. Gase did nothing special with him. Tanehill has never been even close to as good as he is this year, not sure what you're smoking.

I can't believe you're defending Adam Gase as a head coach :lol:

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Cutler's been the same guy his entire career. Gase did nothing special with him. Tanehill has never been even close to as good as he is this year, not sure what you're smoking.

I can't believe you're defending Adam Gase as a head coach :lol:


Fake news! I'm not defending him as a coach. I disputing your nonsense. Gase became a head coach because of his work with Cutler and his success in Denver. Those are facts.

There is evidence to suggest that Nagy is a great leader of men. He's just not ready to lead an offense or develop a quarterback.

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Cutler's been the same guy his entire career. Gase did nothing special with him. Tanehill has never been even close to as good as he is this year, not sure what you're smoking.

I can't believe you're defending Adam Gase as a head coach :lol:


Fake news! I'm not defending him as a coach. I disputing your nonsense. Gase became a head coach because of his work with Cutler and his success in Denver. Those are facts.

There is evidence to suggest that Nagy is a great leader of men. He's just not ready to lead an offense or develop a quarterback.

It wasn't his work with Cutler. He's been living on his rep that Peyton Manning handed to him. He unequivocally failed as a head coach in Miami (cant say that about Nagy yet) and only a team like the Jets was dumb enough to give him another chance, and he's currently blowing that now. He will have been fired from two head coaching jobs before Nagy gets fired from his first.

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