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i like what i see with gallagher - he is young, and he is raw, but he went out there and fought hard those last couple innings, and notched some tough strikeouts and bought the bullpen a little rest after a bad outing by dempster. good to see lee hitting like lee again. the white sox are a first place team, and they are taking good advantage of the opportunities they are getting. i think what is happening here is that we are seeing that maybe the sox are a bit better than a lot of people thought, and the cubs not quite as unbeatable as they looked during the torrid stretch they had. it will all come out in the wash in august and september. i think there is a great chance for a very exciting september of baseball around these parts.


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You can't win 'em all Cub fans. I know you guys are headed to the World Series and all - but Aggravated White Sox Fan Bob chimed in with this public service announcement (via his shirt) on Friday at the MJH Tailgate:

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I, too, was impressed with Gallagher's toughness today in the face of a bad outing. He held strong and was able to give the bullpen some rest. That shows mental toughness. Most young pitchers would have folded and we would have had to gone into the bullpen early on today.

Hopefully the Cubs can come out strong tomorrow night and salvage one win in the series.

Congrats to the Sox. You guys have a heck of a lineup. It should be a fun summer of baseball around Chicago. And maybe, just maybe, the baseball gods will shine down on Chi-town and we will have a cross town world series to enjoy!

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Seeing as both teams have had a tough time getting to the World Series in the past 50 years - I never really wondered about a crosstown World Series.

Man alive, it would REALLY be something. Tensions are pretty high during these games before the dog days of summer - could you imagine best of seven for the ultimate of bragging rights?


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Seeing as both teams have had a tough time getting to the World Series in the past 50 years - I never really wondered about a crosstown World Series.

Man alive, it would REALLY be something. Tensions are pretty high during these games before the dog days of summer - could you imagine best of seven for the ultimate of bragging rights?


I agree it would be awesome but I think it might be too much for the fans to handle. The bragging rights from that one would be ridiculous based on the boasting from a team winning a game or series from the regular season.

Still, I'd love to see it.

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Hey Matt, how did you like D Lee today?
BTW, Jim Rice GIDP 36 times in 1984. He his .280 that year with 28 homers and 122 RBIs. He finished 13th in MVP voting that season.
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D-Lee looked awesome standing on third base at the end of the game. Kind of like Tom Hanks in Castaway. Stranded with nowhere to go. WILSON!


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As a Cub fan, all I can say is, thank GOD the interleague schedule ends after tomorrow so we can get back to the soft (i.e. NL) portion of the schedule. Couldn't come any sooner. The AL has sadly exposed the Cubs (and the rest of the NL) for what they are: just flat-out inferior.

It's quite possible there are 10 teams in the AL that are better than the Cubs. I think it would be very tough to argue the Cubs are better than any of the following: Boston, Tampa Bay, the Yankees, Baltimore (yes Baltimore, I saw those three games), the Sox (I don't care if it hurts, it's true), Minnesota, Detroit, probably Cleveland (check out their run differential, put together against vastly tougher competition than the Cubs have faced), Anaheim, and Oakland. (I can't say Toronto because the Cubs beat them, and any team that has Matt Stairs in the middle of their order can't seriously be considered).

Yet despite that, the Cubs might still have the best team in the NL. That is, at least for now, but it's still June, and what worries me is not just the bevy of teams awaiting the Cubs should they reach the WS, but rather the teams not far behind the Cubs that have three months to get better while the Cubs get older, more tired, and more hurt.


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Wow Heat Miser, I missed that one... it's Woody, right? But in the dugout? Is he just flipping off the general masses?


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It's quite possible there are 10 teams in the AL that are better than the Cubs. I think it would be very tough to argue the Cubs are better than any of the following: Boston, Tampa Bay, the Yankees, Baltimore (yes Baltimore, I saw those three games), the Sox (I don't care if it hurts, it's true), Minnesota, Detroit, probably Cleveland (check out their run differential, put together against vastly tougher competition than the Cubs have faced), Anaheim, and Oakland.


This has to be one of the more ridiculous statements I have read on here in awhile.

Have you forgotten that the Cubs have a winning record against the Sox still this year and even if they lose tomorrow night they will split the season series?

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It's quite possible there are 10 teams in the AL that are better than the Cubs. I think it would be very tough to argue the Cubs are better than any of the following: Boston, Tampa Bay, the Yankees, Baltimore (yes Baltimore, I saw those three games), the Sox (I don't care if it hurts, it's true), Minnesota, Detroit, probably Cleveland (check out their run differential, put together against vastly tougher competition than the Cubs have faced), Anaheim, and Oakland.


This has to be one of the more ridiculous statements I have read on here in awhile.

Have you forgotten that the Cubs have a winning record against the Sox still this year and even if they lose tomorrow night they will split the season series?


Well, 3-2 pending tomorrow vs. Buehrle, but also look at the fact that the AL is 50 games over .500 vs. the NL this year, and the Cubs have contributed to that going 6-8, again pending tomorrow vs. Buehrle. The Sox record is only about 3 games worse than the Cubs, playing much tougher competition.


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I, too, was impressed with Gallagher's toughness today in the face of a bad outing. He held strong and was able to give the bullpen some rest. That shows mental toughness. Most young pitchers would have folded and we would have had to gone into the bullpen early on today.


I dont think I agree with this. Yes the 2 on, 1 out, 2 K's inning showed a little something I guess, but he has an awful outing and I know its key to rest the pen when you can but if each manager went to the pen a bit earlier it would have probably led to a W either way. Both starters were absolutely awful today and coulda/shoulda given up more than they did. Nothing about either SP's start was impressive at all IMO.

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I, too, was impressed with Gallagher's toughness today in the face of a bad outing. He held strong and was able to give the bullpen some rest. That shows mental toughness. Most young pitchers would have folded and we would have had to gone into the bullpen early on today.


I dont think I agree with this. Yes the 2 on, 1 out, 2 K's inning showed a little something I guess, but he has an awful outing and I know its key to rest the pen when you can but if each manager went to the pen a bit earlier it would have probably led to a W either way. Both starters were absolutely awful today and coulda/shoulda given up more than they did. Nothing about either SP's start was impressive at all IMO.


I agree the outing was awful.

I just think there is a small silver lining in the midst of the awful outing.

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Steve will come back if he Cubs win tomorrow. THats what cowards do. I'm a Cub fan and really think they have much of a shot tomorrow. Well msybe a small shot since the Sox are only -140.

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Its HILARIOUS, how Sox fans didn't have shit to say, last weekend, when I didn't post most of the weekend, due to being in Indiana for a wedding. But thats because they're team was getting beaten. Now, they want me to be posting, so they can try to rub in the results from the past 2 games. Get a life! I have one, and would rather be playing golf and visiting with out of town guests, as we have been, than spending a lot of time on a computer. The people who are bitching and post messages EVERY weekend, should be the people who are embarassed. :oops: You have no lives. It's pathetic. The CUBS/sox series has been disappointing, mostly due to Depmsters start. It was very poor. Plus, all the injuries are catching up with them. Even injuries that are not keeping players off the field, are figuring into games. Edmonds should have easily scored on the double yesterday, but his foot has him hobbled, and it cost them the deciding run. Today, the Cubs start Marshall, who is pitching in Zambrano's place. It's another big break for the sox, that Z is out of action. But they have had lots of trouble scoring on lefties in the last 10 starts by left handers, so Marshall may salvage a game in the series. Worst case scenario, is that the teams split. That would be a shame for the Cubs, who have the superior team, but with all the injuries they have had lately, its something they may have to accept. In a couple weeks, when Reed Johnson, Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Zambrano are all back, they should get back to normal. Until then, they just have to gut it out. Now, just as last weekend, when I did not post until I got back from the wedding, and earlier this weekend, when we were busy with our guests, I am going to be busy, so I will not be posting until late, if at all. I think I had already mentioned anyway, that I was going to be discontinuing all this posting on any regular basis, due to the fact that its a counter-productive use of the time and when I wrote that, it was after another sweep by the Cubs. So it has nothing to do with any recent developments, but in a reluctance to continue wasting time that could be better spent on other things. If all this is really all some people have in their lives, have fun. But I really enjoy a lot of other things on weekends, far better than posting on a message board. I would be disappointed, if that were not the case.I realize its duller, without me here. I stir up the pot and get people riled up. But as stated previously, I visit, when it's convenient for me and I feel like it. I am here for my enjoyment. Thats all. When I have better things to do, I will be doing them. Its apparent thats not the case for some people. Perhaps they have nothing better to do. Maybe they have no real life. But thats their problem, not mine. I will not appologize for not suffering a similar existence.

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I was at the game yesterday, good game except for the fnal score. Sat in front of a sox fan who had a Thome jersey on and he informed me after the all-star break he fully expects Thome to hit 30-35 homers in the 2nd half and is convinced the sox will trade for CC and Rich Harden :lol:

Cell is a nice park, always have said it, but to be totally honest, there were many more meatball sox fans then meatball cub fans, but it was harmless for the most part.

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I sorta recall you not being here last weekend, not giving calling you out frank, but be fair. I understand, if its wanting to do something else or just not wanting to take crap, who cares? :wink:


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Sat in front of a sox fan who had a Thome jersey on and he informed me after the all-star break he fully expects Thome to hit 30-35 homers in the 2nd half and is convinced the sox will trade for CC and Rich Harden :lol:



:lol: :lol:

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From what I saw, everyone got along and there was really no BS, excpet for the good natured stuff. Really, I dont understand the whole Hate cub thing that SOME, not all Sox fans have. I grew up surronded by sox fans and there was nothing like what there is today. After tonight, I dont have to think about the white sox and thats the way I like it, they dont matter to me, its not a insult, its just the way it is for me.


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LOL, Sox fans are so pathetic.. Ten teams better then the best team in baseball in the AL huh? The Sox are whipping the Cubs this series, and to be honest its very entertaining. Sox winning brings out all the Ozzie disciples. I'm hoping for another good game today.


I would say see you in October but c'mon the Sox don't have a shot. If there are 10 AL teams better than the Cubs whats that rank the Sox? 20th in the AL? I sometimes use to pull for the Sox when they weren't playing the Cubs, but Sox fans have defintely reignited my passionate hate for the team.

Go Twins motherfuckers.


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LOL, Sox fans are so pathetic.. Ten teams better then the best team in baseball in the AL huh? The Sox are whipping the Cubs this series, and to be honest its very entertaining. Sox winning brings out all the Ozzie disciples. I'm hoping for another good game today.


I would say see you in October but c'mon the Sox don't have a shot. If there are 10 AL teams better than the Cubs whats that rank the Sox? 20th in the AL? I sometimes use to pull for the Sox when they weren't playing the Cubs, but Sox fans have defintely reignited my passionate hate for the team.

Go Twins motherfuckers.


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From what I saw, everyone got along and there was really no BS, excpet for the good natured stuff. Really, I dont understand the whole Hate cub thing that SOME, not all Sox fans have. I grew up surronded by sox fans and there was nothing like what there is today. After tonight, I dont have to think about the white sox and thats the way I like it, they dont matter to me, its not a insult, its just the way it is for me.


My experience is that Cubs fans have been extremely angry toward Sox fans since 2005. Attitude being that they have filled the park year after year, they deserved to get the World Series trophy before Sox fans.


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Uh, this Cub fan doesnt care, cant speak for the rest of them. The white sox winning it in 2005 is no different if it was the tigers, nationals or whoever. Like I said before, the people I was around yesterday all got along and no issues and didnt see anything when I ventured out to check out the park, sorry to disappoint.


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Most baseball fans in this town are civil. I think the majority of callers on talk shows are idiots. Just the people who choose to call. Not all of the listeners.

Most people are adults. It's just seems like that's not the case cuz, lets face it, we hear the idiots on the radio. Where else are we gonna make judgements?

I don't know that many people to make a call otherwise.


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LOL, Sox fans are so pathetic.. Ten teams better then the best team in baseball in the AL huh? The Sox are whipping the Cubs this series, and to be honest its very entertaining. Sox winning brings out all the Ozzie disciples. I'm hoping for another good game today.


I would say see you in October but c'mon the Sox don't have a shot. If there are 10 AL teams better than the Cubs whats that rank the Sox? 20th in the AL? I sometimes use to pull for the Sox when they weren't playing the Cubs, but Sox fans have defintely reignited my passionate hate for the team.

Go Twins motherfuckers.


I think 24 Guy is a Cub fan. Talk about Miss a Little.


Indeed I am, FF, albeit a pessimistic one at times. 8)


Speaking of angry fans, I was at the Sports Authorit-aye yesterday browsing through jerseys etc. A rather burly guy and his wife/gf are there nearby. The wife/gf, either because she was a Cubs fan or just liked to tease her guy, says to him, "How come the Cubs stuff seems to be all sold out, but the racks are filled with unsold Sox stuff?" The guy replies, in a very loud and rather provoking voice, "Because Cubs fans are a bunch of stupid SHITS!" :shock:

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From what I saw, everyone got along and there was really no BS, excpet for the good natured stuff. Really, I dont understand the whole Hate cub thing that SOME, not all Sox fans have. I grew up surronded by sox fans and there was nothing like what there is today. After tonight, I dont have to think about the white sox and thats the way I like it, they dont matter to me, its not a insult, its just the way it is for me.


My experience is that Cubs fans have been extremely angry toward Sox fans since 2005. Attitude being that they have filled the park year after year, they deserved to get the World Series trophy before Sox fans.


Not this Cub fan. I am a lifelong Cub fan and of course I enjoy beating the White Sox and the opportunity to give family members and friends who are Sox fans a good ribbing, but it is all in good fun. I was happy for the Sox in 2005.

Let's face it both the Cubs and Sox have our fair share of "Idiots" that call radio shows and post messages around here. But in the big picture I think the majority of Cub/Sox fans are good natured people that enjoy the give and take and while they want their own team to win and to win the WS, they are not "angry" that the team across town has success.

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I just love how people talk about Cubs/Sox fans like there is some genetic difference. It's just the team you root for. For the most part, you choose the team cuz that's the team your dad rooted for. That's the only reason you are a Cubs fan or a Sox fan.

It's so stupid to say "Well, Sox fans are..." or "Cubs fans are..."

It's just stupid.


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From what I saw, everyone got along and there was really no BS, excpet for the good natured stuff. Really, I dont understand the whole Hate cub thing that SOME, not all Sox fans have. I grew up surronded by sox fans and there was nothing like what there is today. After tonight, I dont have to think about the white sox and thats the way I like it, they dont matter to me, its not a insult, its just the way it is for me.


My experience is that Cubs fans have been extremely angry toward Sox fans since 2005. Attitude being that they have filled the park year after year, they deserved to get the World Series trophy before Sox fans.


Horseshit.

You either have a sample size of three Cubs fans, or you're just spouting errant nonsense.
The Sox got a ring in 2005. So be it. As a Cubs fan and baseball fan, I respect that and hope to live long enough to see the Cubs win the World Series.
To characterize Cubs fans as extremely angry towards Sox fans since 2005 is asinine. This Cubs fan is amazed at the Napoleonic complex of some Sox fans, but finds most fans of both sides to be civilized human being capable of social relations and nation building as per usual.

Extremely angry... ah, no. Bemused perhaps.

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