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Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

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Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship.


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Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.


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Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.


What issue do you have with Yasmani? He filled an hole, has a good bat, he's consistently rated as one of the best behind the plate and his contract appears to be a bargain a month later.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.

I agree it's questionable. That's why McCann is pretty fucking important. With Grandal's age, catching is a 2 man job. If Encarnacion takes ABs away, it should be from Grandal. Not McCann, I want him catching 60 games.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.


Those are good thoughts. I do think that Mercedes, though, makes McCann pretty expendable. I'm saying this although I really like McCann.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

McCann is probably just going to be Giolito's personal catcher now.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.


What issue do you have with Yasmani? He filled an hole, has a good bat, he's consistently rated as one of the best behind the plate and his contract appears to be a bargain a month later.

He's not the catcher you think he is. He's average at best plus framing. And that will go away. It always does.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.


What issue do you have with Yasmani? He filled an hole, has a good bat, he's consistently rated as one of the best behind the plate and his contract appears to be a bargain a month later.


He's at an age where he is likely to break down during the largest contract the Sox have ever given anyone. I just think it's a poor allocation of resources. It's not like I hate the guy or anything. Hopefully, he's good enough for at least a year or two and the Sox can make hay during that time. I don't think McCann is some great player, but I also didn't see catcher as a pressing need.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded


Yeah. As soon as they traded for Grandal, he probably called his agent. He's kind of in the cat bird seat, though, in terms of his value to a team. Its just the "team" is not the White Sox. The Sox will hold onto him until they get peak value for him. When some good catcher goes down in baseball for a good team, that team will come asking. Meanwhile, he's making $5M this coming year while watching this play out.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.


I look at it this way. They have a lot of good to great hitters most of them younger guys. All Encarnacion has to do is DH and mash. He's a veteran and has been through the wars with some very good clubs. He also is said to be a very good influence with younger players especially with young hitters. If he gets hurt they have a lot of options left to cover the spot. If others in the line-up get hurt, they will have back-up guys. Its a good problem to have. The other thing, they can always trade guys like him during the season.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.

I agree it's questionable. That's why McCann is pretty fucking important. With Grandal's age, catching is a 2 man job. If Encarnacion takes ABs away, it should be from Grandal. Not McCann, I want him catching 60 games.


Grandal signing was not "questionable" at all. Not with McCann on the last year of a contract. Grandal is a switch hitter and a very good defensive catcher also. Of all of the moves, line-up wise, I think Grandal's addition was the most important because it set up everything else. Switch hitters are a great tool for a manager making up a line-up card.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.

I agree it's questionable. That's why McCann is pretty fucking important. With Grandal's age, catching is a 2 man job. If Encarnacion takes ABs away, it should be from Grandal. Not McCann, I want him catching 60 games.


Grandal signing was not "questionable" at all. Not with McCann on the last year of a contract. Grandal is a switch hitter and a very good defensive catcher also. Of all of the moves, line-up wise, I think Grandal's addition was the most important because it set up everything else. Switch hitters are a great tool for a manager making up a line-up card.


Grandal will likely make far more money than he is worth over the course of that contract.

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Nardi wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.


What issue do you have with Yasmani? He filled an hole, has a good bat, he's consistently rated as one of the best behind the plate and his contract appears to be a bargain a month later.

He's not the catcher you think he is. He's average at best plus framing. And that will go away. It always does.


I don't get it. Grandal is one of the top three all around catchers in all of baseball and is a switch hitter. Calling getting a guy like that a questionable move is funny.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Who does Encarnacion take ABs from? Grandal/McCann. Doesn't that force Grandal to catch 20 more games than he should? And if that's true, doesn't that lead to trading McCann?

I consider the Grandal(100 games)McCann(60 games) duo a defensive key to a championship team. I'm worried this fucks up a situation that I like. Over a 36 yr old, who may not even be here when it's time to compete for a trophy?

Sox have a brutish lineup. Twins had a brutish lineup that was swept out of the playoffs. Yanks had a brutish lineup that got sent home. The goal is MORE than winning a shit division. Building the young pitching is still the key to the championship. Let's make sure we do that by keeping McCann and keeping a big investment, Grandal, fresh.

Yeah I am sure McCann is watching all these moves and wondering what that means for him? Looking more and more like he is a one game a week catcher or gets traded

Baseball isn't a video game. This guy adds 5 wins, that guy adds 3 wins. Most times it doesn't work that way. Signing Encarnacion doesn't seem to be a cohesive move. It seems like a fantasy team move. It just doesn't sit right with me.



It's a low risk move for a possible big bat. It doesn't hog-tie them in the future. It's actually a great move. If the guy is too old to hit, he'll be gone. No worries. It beats presiding over the career decline of Nick Castellanos. The truth is, the Grandal signing is far more questionable.


What issue do you have with Yasmani? He filled an hole, has a good bat, he's consistently rated as one of the best behind the plate and his contract appears to be a bargain a month later.


He's at an age where he is likely to break down during the largest contract the Sox have ever given anyone. I just think it's a poor allocation of resources. It's not like I hate the guy or anything. Hopefully, he's good enough for at least a year or two and the Sox can make hay during that time. I don't think McCann is some great player, but I also didn't see catcher as a pressing need.


He is 31 years old. That isn't a break down age. He is in his prime. And catcher, I think was a pretty big need considering that McCann is in his last year, is the same age, and doesn't have the stats historically that Grandal has. Last year the Sox wore McCann down because they had no one worth a crap behind him. So, now catching all of a sudden becomes a big STRENGTH of this team and that gives them a helluva lot of flexibility down the road, especially since Mercedes is on the horizon

Securing Grandal gives them a legit middle of the line-up switch hitter. This was a BIG MOVE.

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Grandal will likely make far more money than he is worth over the course of that contract.[/quote]

Maybe. Maybe not. Its not my money and I don't care. Good two way catchers are rare in baseball. Switch hitters are also rare especially guys who can clear the fences and bat in the middle of the order.

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I'm with Hawk on this. I don't see a downside in the Yasmani signing unless he breaks his neck before the start of the season.

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Grandals OPS was .848 last year. Anyone want to bet on it. I say he is below .848 in 2020.


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Grandals OPS was .848 last year. Anyone want to bet on it. I say he is below .848 in 2020.


It'll probably be between. 800 and .820. That'll still be #1 or #2 for catchers.

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Grandals OPS was .848 last year. Anyone want to bet on it. I say he is below .848 in 2020.


It'll probably be between. 800 and .820. That'll still be #1 or #2 for catchers.

I agree, but it doesn't matter. He is gonna be a huge upgrade at that position for us. He walked more times than our top 2 guys combined last season.


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Grandals OPS was .848 last year. Anyone want to bet on it. I say he is below .848 in 2020.


The thing is that you just want failure for every person on the White Sox. So basically, your posts are irrelevant. In my opinion as a baseball guy, the people hitting behind you make your at plate appearances more productive as a rule. Grandal has a good batting eye also and does take walks. He will probably hit 4th or 5th in the line-up. With him there, Abreu is going to see better pitches to hit and with Jimenez probably hitting behind him, so is Grandal.

I know this, pitchers will not want to pitch through this line-up.

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Grandal and EE actually walk. Not worried on the money on either. Far more worried about Tim Anderson, and that his flukey season convinced them that shortstop is locked down.

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The White Sox are already better than the fabled Cubs dynasty that was supposed to last a generation, and it’s pissing off a bunch of posters.

Maybe the White Sox should finish above .500 first before we start yelling gibberish


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Grandal and EE actually walk. Not worried on the money on either. Far more worried about Tim Anderson, and that his flukey season convinced them that shortstop is locked down.


If you don't believe that a guy who wins a batting title at his age hasn't locked down his position, I don't know what you want a player to prove himself. He hits. He hits with power. He steals bases. Yeah, he makes errors defensively. It probably will get better in that he is still learning his footwork but the tools are certainly there.

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https://twitter.com/HotStoveintel/statu ... 18240?s=20

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This is a good problem to have.
Encarnacion is a year deal....you take that and love it.

At the very least....the Sox have something they've lacked for a long time....DEPTH. McCann will likely come down to earth, so this is incentive for him to stay productive. Nothing wrong with 2 solid catchers and more bats than they can handle. If the season starts out well....they have pieces to move for pitching.

Shit....I'd still say Timmay is of great value and would be open to listening to deals given he's butcher at SS.

I'm excited for the first time in over 10 years. They are drastically improved.

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Grandal and EE actually walk. Not worried on the money on either. Far more worried about Tim Anderson, and that his flukey season convinced them that shortstop is locked down.


If you don't believe that a guy who wins a batting title at his age hasn't locked down his position, I don't know what you want a player to prove himself. He hits. He hits with power. He steals bases. Yeah, he makes errors defensively. It probably will get better in that he is still learning his footwork but the tools are certainly there.


He doesn’t get on base, and he’s terrible defensively. I doubt he hits .320 again which is where he needs to be to be a plus offensive player.

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https://twitter.com/HotStoveintel/status/1210311982244618240?s=20

This guy gets it. Twins still have a couple major moves to make as well.


That’s a terrible analysis.

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hearing Puig might be willing to accept a 1 year "prove it" deal.

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