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Jeter was definitely a winning type of player but he wasn't close to as talented a player as A-Rod was. The steroids and choking will make MANY people forget about how great he was.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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By American, I mean American baseball. I thought that was obvious. Do you think Ricky was down in Mexico teaching the intensity of Dominican ball? It's influence on the American game is great but Ricky is along for the ride just like ever other American. He doesn't have special insight. Mark Salas doesn't have special insight. Ozzie had special insight.


I think that you are wrong. I don't think you understand the reality of the differences between Hispanic and average American culture. There is, for example a great amount of difference between the baseball that gets played in Mexico, South America, and the DR or Cuba. versus that which is played in lets say, Brother Rice High school or Upland High School in California or the U of I or USC. Big time differences. It is a huge difference in culture, the make-up or the kids, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nobody gives a shit.

Now, lets get back to talking about the 2020 White Sox. The World Series champions.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Sabremetrics is a sun so bright it blinds people. I don't get mad at Jeter haters. I feel sorry for them.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/stat ... 64928?s=20

Stats matter. White Sox right now have too many regulars who don't walk enough.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Adam Dunn loved taking walks. How'd that work out for the Sox?


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Dumb argument. Talking about team numbers. A walk is better than an out. Not hard to understand except if one is a dishonest Sox fan.


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Sox will have five different guys in the lineup

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Bababooey wrote:
https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/1211427677162364928?s=20

Stats matter. White Sox right now have too many regulars who don't walk enough.

Not to belittle your twitter stats, but do you think walks are all the difference in the plate appearances between the 71 win teams and the 91 win teams? Because it seems that is your point. Walks are great and many of them score but I think the stat doesn't prove very much. Take Moncada. It's safe to say he was looking for walks his rookie year. Put him with 2 strikes way too often which lead to 200+Ks. The following year his walks were down as were his Ks. The rest of his stats speak for themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
Bababooey wrote:
https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/1211427677162364928?s=20

Stats matter. White Sox right now have too many regulars who don't walk enough.

Not to belittle your twitter stats, but do you think walks are all the difference in the plate appearances between the 71 win teams and the 91 win teams? Because it seems that is your point. Walks are great and many of them score but I think the stat doesn't prove very much. Take Moncada. It's safe to say he was looking for walks his rookie year. Put him with 2 strikes way too often which lead to 200+Ks. The following year his walks were down as were his Ks. The rest of his stats speak for themselves.


I think that a lot depends on where a guy bats in the batting order when it comes to walks. Abreu, for example, could have hit .300+ in every season he played if he was selfish and wanted a high BA and OBP. But his role was to be a run producer and with runners in scoring position, he looked to drive the ball even if it was a ball.

With the upcoming batting order, it will be interesting what the influence of both Grandal and Encarnacion is going to be. Both will take walks if they do not get their pitches. Both Moncada and Jimenez also have good knowledge of the strike zone for young players. I think that the Sox are going to greatly improve on their on base percentage in 2020 and its all good. Having both Abreu and Encarnacion available as mentors to these young and talented guys should prove great dividends. 8) 8) 8)

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Bababooey wrote:
https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/1211427677162364928?s=20

Stats matter. White Sox right now have too many regulars who don't walk enough.


2019 and before stats do not mean shit. Add Grandal and Encarnacion to your everyday line-up as well as more mature young hitters and things change.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Adam Dunn loved taking walks. How'd that work out for the Sox?


My goodness. What does Adam Dunn have to do with anything about this year's team?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
By American, I mean American baseball. I thought that was obvious. Do you think Ricky was down in Mexico teaching the intensity of Dominican ball? It's influence on the American game is great but Ricky is along for the ride just like ever other American. He doesn't have special insight. Mark Salas doesn't have special insight. Ozzie had special insight.


I think it's worth pointing out that when we're talking about Dominican and Cuban players having a different approach to the game, that's just in general. Obviously, there are exceptions. And there are plenty of American players who are selfish and have bad habits too. And I wouldn't be as quick to excuse those guys as I am a guy who had to bust his ass to get out of a cane field.

To me, one of the best examples of different approaches to the game are two Americans who played on the same team- Jeter and A-Rod. The modern fan who is steeped in Moneyball ideology looks at Fangraphs or Baseball Reference and thinks that A-Rod was an obviously superior player. Every amateur GM thinks it was stupid that Jeter played short instead of A-Rod. But people in the game know better. Yeah, A-Rod had video game numbers, but Jeter was a winning-type ballplayer. The Yankees were smart enough to know which guy they wanted in the middle of the diamond.


I think that the major reason why Jeter played short-stop instead of AROID was because Jeter couldn't play 3rd while AROID could, not because Jeter was the better defensive short-stop. AROID was absolutely the better athlete with a stronger arm so they moved him to 3rd. Jeter could have only played Short or even better yet, 2nd base which, I think, would have been the position that he might have been correctly given given his lack of arm strength. Jeter, for sure, was also more of a leader than AROID.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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It's official.

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CHICAGO — The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a three-year, $55.5-million contract with former Cy Young Award winner and two-time All-Star left-handed pitcher Dallas Keuchel, which includes a club option for 2023. Under terms of the agreement, Keuchel will receive $18 million each season from 2020–22, while the White Sox hold a $20-million option for 2023 with a $1.5-million buyout.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I like official.
Not my first choice, but they did address the biggest hole on the team with a successful veteran...plus Gio for depth.

This team makes the playoffs in 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Well, my son was in Vegas after Christmas and I had him put down a wager for me. I bet that the Sox will win the World Series in 2020 8) 8) 8) Unfortunately the odds dropped to 25-1 the day that he placed the bet. :( :(

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Twins signed Rich Hill and Homer Bailey. Even if they get Donaldson they really do not do much to scare me.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Twins signed Rich Hill and Homer Bailey. Even if they get Donaldson they really do not do much to scare me.


That's about what I expected from the Sox so that's encouraging that it's someone else.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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950 runs and .840 team OPS scares me. Nearly 7 runs a game against us last year kinda scares me.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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950 runs and .840 team OPS scares me. Nearly 7 runs a game against us last year kinda scares me.


Dylan Covey accounted for a lot of those.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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950 runs and .840 team OPS scares me. Nearly 7 runs a game against us last year kinda scares me.


Dylan Covey accounted for a lot of those.

Yeah well, check the box scores. They lit up everybody. I just hope to hell we average 7 a game against them


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Dont forget that its going to be a lot tougher to score runs against the Sox with Madrigal (I dont care about Yolmer Sanchez's gold glove) and Robert up the middle.


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Dont forget that its going to be a lot tougher to score runs against the Sox with Madrigal (I dont care about Yolmer Sanchez's gold glove) and Robert up the middle.

Assumptions made on this board seem a little iffy. Now Madrigal is going to be opening day 2nd baseman(or at least by April 10th, home against Twins). AND he's better defensively than Yolmer.

Let's just slow our roll on how the Twins are going to fall off the table. It might even be a mistake to count out the Indians. They have some nice young pitching themselves(and more than one was successful, Bieber and Plesac, unlike our guys, only Giolito) and Lindor and Clevinger are still there. 93 wins last year, not too shabby.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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And regarding the Twins offensive output, I'm sure the league is going to adjust the baseball so we don't have the super balls shooting out of parks next year.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Antarctica wrote:
Twins signed Rich Hill and Homer Bailey. Even if they get Donaldson they really do not do much to scare me.


I wanted Rich Hill but he had some kind of shoulder surgery where he won't be ready until mid year...as a 40 year old.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nardi wrote:
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Dont forget that its going to be a lot tougher to score runs against the Sox with Madrigal (I dont care about Yolmer Sanchez's gold glove) and Robert up the middle.

Assumptions made on this board seem a little iffy. Now Madrigal is going to be opening day 2nd baseman(or at least by April 10th, home against Twins). AND he's better defensively than Yolmer.



Let's just slow our roll on how the Twins are going to fall off the table. It might even be a mistake to count out the Indians. They have some nice young pitching themselves(and more than one was successful, Bieber and Plesac, unlike our guys, only Giolito) and Lindor and Clevinger are still there. 93 wins last year, not too shabby.


Even without Kluber, Indians have best starting pitching in division.


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Don't live in a vacuum Frank. Indians know what they're doing. Keep this name in mind. Aaron Civale.

Kinda looks like they are keeping Lindor and Clevinger and see what happens. That isn't good news.


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I wasn't aware Lindor was a starting pitcher.

I'll take a healthy Sox rotation over the Indians rotation even if it includes Clevinger.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I wasn't aware Lindor was a starting pitcher.

I'll take a healthy Sox rotation over the Indians rotation even if it includes Clevinger.

Keeping Clevinger and Lindor was a separate thought. Sox have 2 pitchers that have a proven record. Cleveland has 3. 4 if Carrasco is over his little bout of leukemia. And Civale had a 2.34 ERA in 10 starts. What was Cease's? What was Lopez'? Your conclusions are based on hope, not numbers


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