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Then you make up things about Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck and Rivers that's factually incorrect.
What did I say that was false about them, Nas? What did I say that was wrong? Tell me.


He asked you a direct question and you never answered it.

What available guys would be an upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky?

Simple and logical question.

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Fraternization Frank's idea of upgrading the position is to acquire HOF QBs.

Now that's easy. Why hasn't Pace thought of that i wonder?

Now there's a deep thinker for ya!

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He asked you a direct question and you never answered it.

What available guys would be an upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky?

Simple and logical question.
Fails to address the point. What a shock. That is why I continuously run laps around you each and every time.

Continue to latch on to others while I sit back and continue to make you look like an idiot.

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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.


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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

Goff is probably the worst case scenario. At least Mitch played poorly enough to avoid a $150 million landmine.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Fraternization Frank's idea of upgrading the position is to acquire HOF QBs.

Now that's easy. Why hasn't Pace thought of that i wonder?

Now there's a deep thinker for ya!

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He asked you a direct question and you never answered it.

What available guys would be an upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky?

Simple and logical question.
Fails to address the point. What a shock. That is why I continuously run laps around you each and every time.

Continue to latch on to others while I sit back and continue to make you look like an idiot.



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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

There really is no reason to ever cut a rookie QB until after year 4 unless they lose an arm. It's basically a 4 year tryout.

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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

Goff is probably the worst case scenario. At least Mitch played poorly enough to avoid a $150 million landmine.
True. Still, not good for the Bears. Championship defense that couldn't stay healthy, and a QB who can't be trusted to continuously lead touchdown drives.

Thank God JERRY opened up his checkbook finally.

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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

There really is no reason to ever cut a rookie QB until after year 4 unless they lose an arm. It's basically a 4 year tryout.

You don’t think Nathan Peterman deserved to be cut?

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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

There really is no reason to ever cut a rookie QB until after year 4 unless they lose an arm. It's basically a 4 year tryout.

You don’t think Nathan Peterman deserved to be cut?

(Elbow): Peterman has landed on the injured reserve list with a small ligament tear in his right elbow. (Updated November 11, 2019)

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Answer the question, Nas.


I did. I've answered it multiple times.

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You're incorrect, but why break precedence now.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
You're incorrect, but why break precedence now.


Do you do this with everyone?

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Yes, let's remove Mitch entirely.

As for who the Bears have, with a better QB that wouldn't matter. Look at some of the guys Brady and Rodgers have thrown too. Brees, Rivers, Luck, Big Ben, among others. Yes there was AB and Michael Thomas and Randy Moss, but there are also a who lot of nobodies yet those QBs and those teams managed to have success because those quarterbacks made guys around them better. Aaron Rodgers, in particular, had some putrid offensive lines during the McCarthy days yet somehow he managed to win games and take his team to the playoffs.

"If if if if" gets you nothing. You can hope for Mitch in one hand and shit in the other and see what fills up first.

Mitch isn't the guy that makes other players better. Just face it.
What did I say that was factually inaccurate about Brady, Brees etc?

What offensive player on the Bears does Mitch make better, Nas?


Seriously? I've asked you to remove (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky from the equation and like an emotional school girl you just can't help yourself. Then you go on an incoherent rant about HoF quarterbacks.

For the 12th time what's inaccurate is your belief that they won with guys who were worse than Robinson or the same as their primary target.


None of those HoF guys will be the Bears starting quarterback next season. Once again, what realistic option do you want who can overcome the limitations of the offensive talent and the coach?

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KDdidit wrote:
Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.


I can't say that this post is unfair. The gains that were made are very encouraging and were things that we needed to see. As I said earlier there were even flashes of greatness against a really good Cowboys defense.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

There really is no reason to ever cut a rookie QB until after year 4 unless they lose an arm. It's basically a 4 year tryout.

You don’t think Nathan Peterman deserved to be cut?

(Elbow): Peterman has landed on the injured reserve list with a small ligament tear in his right elbow. (Updated November 11, 2019)

Hurting your elbow is equivalent to losing an arm?

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Then you make up things about Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck and Rivers that's factually incorrect.
What did I say that was false about them, Nas?

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Nas wrote:
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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.


I can't say that this post is unfair. The gains that were made are very encouraging and were things that we needed to see. As I said earlier there were even flashes of greatness against a really good Cowboys defense.


All Mitchell really did was play well enough against a group of underachievers to get their coaches fired.

Lets not call them good.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Then you make up things about Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck and Rivers that's factually incorrect.
What did I say that was false about them, Nas?


I'll take this as your concession. You're still my meatball brother.

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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.


I can't say that this post is unfair. The gains that were made are very encouraging and were things that we needed to see. As I said earlier there were even flashes of greatness against a really good Cowboys defense.


All Mitchell really did was play well enough against a group of underachievers to get their coaches fired.

Lets not call them good.


You still objectively feel the same way about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky?

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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.

There really is no reason to ever cut a rookie QB until after year 4 unless they lose an arm. It's basically a 4 year tryout.

You don’t think Nathan Peterman deserved to be cut?

(Elbow): Peterman has landed on the injured reserve list with a small ligament tear in his right elbow. (Updated November 11, 2019)

Hurting your elbow is equivalent to losing an arm?

It was a joke.

Peterman was barely making anything. I don't think it's really comparable.

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Nas wrote:
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Mitch's play has been a worse case scenario, not bad enough to move on from and not good enough trust moving forward.


I can't say that this post is unfair. The gains that were made are very encouraging and were things that we needed to see. As I said earlier there were even flashes of greatness against a really good Cowboys defense.


All Mitchell really did was play well enough against a group of underachievers to get their coaches fired.

Lets not call them good.


You still objectively feel the same way about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky?


Honestly I've been watching 5-7 college games a week for 5 years. I saw (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky at Carolina and the postseason. I never thought much of him then or in all but maybe ten percent of his pro snaps.

I objectively think that he isn't a ballplayer. Subjectively, I tink that he's at best a football simpleton.

Then I heard Matt Forte call him a decent backup on a good team whom he politely called lacking in confidence :wink:

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A ton of mental masturbation going on here, but no real solutions. If they are going to give Mitch the starting job next season why not bring in a proven veteran NFL OC? Cannot argue that the offense, and Mitch in particular, regressed drastically this season. Most franchises would force the HC to launch his entire offensive staff, and that may not be a bad idea here because you couldn't do a much worse job of developing a young QB and developing an offensive identity than the Bears offensive staff did this year. Nagy could then be the CEO of the team, always listening and suggesting offensive plays like Andy Reid, but letting someone else develop an NFL level game plan and running game, in essence save Nagy from himself. The coddle Mitch approach has failed spectacularly, it's time for a different approach. They could even bring Nas in as Mitch's "Special Assistant", he could make him hot coco and read him bedtime stories, whatever it takes to get the offense into the middle third of the league.


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We were simply fooled by Nagy and the offense in Year 1. EVERY player except Robinson regressed. He may not have even gotten better. It's possible that his health is the reason why he looked better.

Murder (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or anything you would like and this is still a bottom of the league offense as is unless a Brady or Rodgers takes over. There is a major talent deficit.

Even if the talent is addressed the coach is still a problem. Will he stop being stubborn? Will he adjust to his roster and the league? Can he develop a quarterback?

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Nas wrote:
We were simply fooled by Nagy and the offense in Year 1. EVERY player except Robinson regressed. He may not have even gotten better. It's possible that his health is the reason why he looked better.

Murder (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or anything you would like and this is still a bottom of the league offense as is unless a Brady or Rodgers takes over. There is a major talent deficit.

Even if the talent is addressed the coach is still a problem. Will he stop being stubborn? Will he adjust to his roster and the league? Can he develop a quarterback?

Miller didn’t regress. He did the opposite.

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We were simply fooled by Nagy and the offense in Year 1. EVERY player except Robinson regressed. He may not have even gotten better. It's possible that his health is the reason why he looked better.

Murder (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or anything you would like and this is still a bottom of the league offense as is unless a Brady or Rodgers takes over. There is a major talent deficit.

Even if the talent is addressed the coach is still a problem. Will he stop being stubborn? Will he adjust to his roster and the league? Can he develop a quarterback?

Miller didn’t regress. He did the opposite.


Like (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he showed up late. His problems are all mental and detrimental to the team. Lining up properly or running the right route shouldn't be too much to ask. He makes spectacular plays too and then will drop a routine pass.

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Vegan, tell us again how much better Jameis is. I enjoy comedy.

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Nas wrote:
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We were simply fooled by Nagy and the offense in Year 1. EVERY player except Robinson regressed. He may not have even gotten better. It's possible that his health is the reason why he looked better.

Murder (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or anything you would like and this is still a bottom of the league offense as is unless a Brady or Rodgers takes over. There is a major talent deficit.

Even if the talent is addressed the coach is still a problem. Will he stop being stubborn? Will he adjust to his roster and the league? Can he develop a quarterback?

Miller didn’t regress. He did the opposite.


Like (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he showed up late. His problems are all mental and detrimental to the team. Lining up properly or running the right route shouldn't be too much to ask. He makes spectacular plays too and then will drop a routine pass.

He doesn’t have any problems really. He’s on a natural career progression arc to be good for a long time, especially if you take into account all the injuries he had last year. WRs breakout in Year 3 typically. It’s possible he has a Chris Godwin type breakout next year with the right coaching.

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We were simply fooled by Nagy and the offense in Year 1. EVERY player except Robinson regressed. He may not have even gotten better. It's possible that his health is the reason why he looked better.

Murder (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or anything you would like and this is still a bottom of the league offense as is unless a Brady or Rodgers takes over. There is a major talent deficit.

Even if the talent is addressed the coach is still a problem. Will he stop being stubborn? Will he adjust to his roster and the league? Can he develop a quarterback?

Miller didn’t regress. He did the opposite.


Like (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he showed up late. His problems are all mental and detrimental to the team. Lining up properly or running the right route shouldn't be too much to ask. He makes spectacular plays too and then will drop a routine pass.

He doesn’t have any problems really. He’s on a natural career progression arc to be good for a long time, especially if you take into account all the injuries he had last year. WRs breakout in Year 3 typically. It’s possible he has a Chris Godwin type breakout next year with the right coaching.


Hopefully you're right and he's healthy. He looks more like a #1 than Robinson.

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