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Kafka become QB coach this year and was an offensive quality control coach the year prior. Seems kinda fast to become an NFL OC. Under Reid machine what responsibility does this guy really possess?


Reid makes the guy who he wants to be the next offensive coordinator the QB coach. Nagy may want to fire Raggone and bring in Kafka to coach up the quarterback who will be drafted next year.

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Kafka become QB coach this year and was an offensive quality control coach the year prior. Seems kinda fast to become an NFL OC. Under Reid machine what responsibility does this guy really possess?


Reid makes the guy who he wants to be the next offensive coordinator the QB coach. Nagy may want to fire Raggone and bring in Kafka to coach up the quarterback who will be drafted next year.

If KC coaches are flying off the shelves as HCs, why wouldn’t Kafka stay so he can become KCs OC, learn more from Reid and possess better job security?

Seems like a weird move by Kafka if he jumps ship.


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Kafka become QB coach this year and was an offensive quality control coach the year prior. Seems kinda fast to become an NFL OC. Under Reid machine what responsibility does this guy really possess?


He took over qb job when Nagy left. Year before his job was to be Mahomes personal coach.

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Sounds like Kafka was the person working with Mahomes and it also sounds like being smart is really important when it comes to running this offense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp

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Sounds like Kafka was the person working with Mahomes and it also sounds like being smart is really important when it comes to running this offense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp


That's where the problem starts with Mitch. Not sure he has it upstairs to execute a complex offense.


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Sounds like Kafka was the person working with Mahomes and it also sounds like being smart is really important when it comes to running this offense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp


That's where the problem starts with Mitch. Not sure he has it upstairs to execute a complex offense.


He tries to make up for it with hard work

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so to help the head coach who barely has any OC experience they want to hire an OC with no coordinating experience? cool


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Nas wrote:
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Sounds like Kafka was the person working with Mahomes and it also sounds like being smart is really important when it comes to running this offense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp


That's where the problem starts with Mitch. Not sure he has it upstairs to execute a complex offense.


He tries to make up for it with hard work


:lol:

Our QB is a dumbass! I've only followed Grossman, Cutler, and Orton. Were any of them dumb? There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?

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Sounds like Kafka was the person working with Mahomes and it also sounds like being smart is really important when it comes to running this offense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp


That's where the problem starts with Mitch. Not sure he has it upstairs to execute a complex offense.


He tries to make up for it with hard work


:lol:

Our QB is a dumbass! I've only followed Grossman, Cutler, and Orton. Were any of them dumb? There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


I don't think so.

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so to help the head coach who barely has any OC experience they want to hire an OC with no coordinating experience? cool


I think it's more about the quarterback. He worked well with Mahomes and they believe that he can do the same with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is my guess. Which makes Raggone useless. It's also possible that they're getting him to work with a draft pick.

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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


I don't feel "becoming a master at understanding coverages" is really a skill you master in your mid-20s playing in the NFL. I think it's something you have to develop in HS or early college or of course, you never develop it at all.


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My career advice to Mike Kafka would be NOT to leave for the Bears OC job.

-It's not a real OC job
-Chiefs are much more stable right now
-Beiniemy might be getting a HC job, moving you to OC.

Chiefs assistants seem to be moving up in the world, who is hiring Bears assistants? Nobody.


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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


I don't feel "becoming a master at understanding coverages" is really a skill you master in your mid-20s playing in the NFL. I think it's something you have to develop in HS or early college or of course, you never develop it at all.


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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


I don't feel "becoming a master at understanding coverages" is really a skill you master in your mid-20s playing in the NFL. I think it's something you have to develop in HS or early college or of course, you never develop it at all.
That is Matt's point.

Mitch has had three years to develop a pretty vital tool that QBs need to use nearly every play. He sucks.

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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


I don't feel "becoming a master at understanding coverages" is really a skill you master in your mid-20s playing in the NFL. I think it's something you have to develop in HS or early college or of course, you never develop it at all.


Huh?


What don't you understand? Do you really think an NFL quarterback that is currently a 1 read guy can turn into a field scanner like Brees? This is a skill that takes years and years to build and if you don't have it by now, it ain't never going to happen.


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I don’t think I’d be able to handle the puns related to Nagy’s offense.


We already have a dung beetle for a quarterback, so hiring Kafka as our coach would be appropriate.

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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


I don't feel "becoming a master at understanding coverages" is really a skill you master in your mid-20s playing in the NFL. I think it's something you have to develop in HS or early college or of course, you never develop it at all.


Huh?


What don't you understand? Do you really think an NFL quarterback that is currently a 1 read guy can turn into a field scanner like Brees? This is a skill that takes years and years to build and if you don't have it by now, it ain't never going to happen.


You don't learn to read NFL defenses in high school or college. They're far more complex and the players are better. Quarterbacks are constantly learning defenses because things change. You can always learn. It's easier for some than others.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky hasn't been a 1 read guy since last season. His issue was always understanding zone coverages. He's gotten a lot better at it. He's great recognizing man. That's why everyone with the exception of the Lions don't use man coverage a lot when they play the Bears.

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Nas wrote:
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There's a difference between dumb throws and just being confused by defenses because you're slow. Did we ever have anyone in the latter category?


December 31, 2019 : Matt Nagy on what he wants to see from Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this offseason: "I want him to be a master at understanding coverages."

This is heading into year 4 of his career.


I don't feel "becoming a master at understanding coverages" is really a skill you master in your mid-20s playing in the NFL. I think it's something you have to develop in HS or early college or of course, you never develop it at all.


Huh?


What don't you understand? Do you really think an NFL quarterback that is currently a 1 read guy can turn into a field scanner like Brees? This is a skill that takes years and years to build and if you don't have it by now, it ain't never going to happen.


You don't learn to read NFL defenses in high school or college. They're far more complex and the players are better. Quarterbacks are constantly learning defenses because things change. You can always learn. It's easier for some than others.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky hasn't been a 1 read guy since last season. His issue was always understanding zone coverages. He's gotten a lot better at it. He's great recognizing man. That's why everyone with the exception of the Lions don't use man coverage a lot when they play the Bears.


I honestly think you are watching a different QB at times. He rarely checks to the 2nd or 3rd option.


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I honestly think you are watching a different QB at times. He rarely checks to the 2nd or 3rd option.


They have game video on YouTube that just tracks (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, you should probably give some stuff from this season a spin. Even his former Bears critics will tell you that he's great with man (the stats will tell you this as well). His issue is zone but he's made progress.

The idea that you believe that an NFL quarterback can't learn defenses after 24 is kinda odd.

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Mitch appears to be a bit of a simpleton, and his regression this year confirms such notions. I doubt he can improve as much as he needs to in this area.

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I think part of the perceived regression in Mitch was two fold. The line was clearly better and maybe Howard was better than we thought. The second part for me is you have to remember Mitch won a lot of games the previous year pulling late game magic out of his ass. He always has been able to improvise like that and was less lucky this year or whatever.

It doesn't really prove he has not been progressing in mastering defenses from the coaches belief.

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I think part of the perceived regression in Mitch was two fold. The line was clearly better and maybe Howard was better than we thought. The second part for me is you have to remember Mitch won a lot of games the previous year pulling late game magic out of his ass. He always has been able to improvise like that and was less lucky this year or whatever.

It doesn't really prove he has not been progressing in mastering defenses from the coaches belief.


They stopped scoring on the first drive and the defense didn't give them great field position or score for them with turnovers. The offensive line was an issue but I think the league catching up to Nagy before the end of 2018 and him refusing to adjust was the biggest.

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We need to stop with utterly meaningless statements like "he's gotten a lot better at that.". Where's the data. Where's the evidence. Absent that you've got nothing. He sucks at diagnosing coverages and progressing through reads, as evidenced by bottom tier stats in yards per pass and documented tendencies to check down instead of looking for other reads. It's not an age thing either. It's a matter of studying and investing mental energy. Memorizing what body angles mean when defenses get in stances and connecting that your film study to anticipate what the stances indicate about the coverage and then finally foreseeing the play before the snap based on your diagnosis and either calling an audible or hitting the open man because you knew he'd be open after a successful read of the defense. It's all about study and prep. If he can't do that he's either not investing the time (doubtful) or he's just doesn't have the knack for translating all this to the field. If it's the latter, which it likely is, then unfortunately he's not a starting QB for a contending team. It most certainly isn't about age. 25 year olds study cancer and aerospace engineering. They most certainly can study whether or not the dumbass LB in front of them is gonna blitz or not.

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We need to stop with utterly meaningless statements like "he's gotten a lot better at that.". Where's the data. Where's the evidence. Absent that you've got nothing. He sucks at diagnosing coverages and progressing through reads, as evidenced by bottom tier stats in yards per pass and documented tendencies to check down instead of looking for other reads. It's not an age thing either. It's a matter of studying and investing mental energy. Memorizing what body angles mean when defenses get in stances and connecting that your film study to anticipate what the stances indicate about the coverage and then finally foreseeing the play before the snap based on your diagnosis and either calling an audible or hitting the open man because you knew he'd be open after a successful read of the defense. It's all about study and prep. If he can't do that he's either not investing the time (doubtful) or he's just doesn't have the knack for translating all this to the field. If it's the latter, which it likely is, then unfortunately he's not a starting QB for a contending team. It most certainly isn't about age. 25 year olds study cancer and aerospace engineering. They most certainly can study whether or not the dumbass LB in front of them is gonna blitz or not.


Watch the games and listen to even his critics. Look at the results against teams who play man.

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The results were 8 wins, which was not good enough for the playoffs.

There is our data, now kindly provide yours Nas.

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The results were 8 wins, which was not good enough for the playoffs.

There is our data, now kindly provide yours Nas.


Did the 12 wins from the year before tell you that he was good at it? Of course not because he clearly wasn't.

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Exactly. 12 wins. He wasn't good enough to win a 13th, 14th, or 15th game last season.

Still waiting for that data showing how great Mitch against certain defenses...

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Exactly. He wasn't good enough to win a 13th, 14th, or 15th game last season. And Mitch only won 11 last season.

Still waiting for that data showing how great Mitch against certain defenses...

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Exactly. 12 wins. He wasn't good enough to win a 13th, 14th, or 15th game last season.

Still waiting for that data showing how great Mitch against certain defenses...


Look at the games where defenses play exclusively man or don't disguise their zone coverages. Lions, Cowboys and Redskins off the top of my head. Listen to the experts. Holmes show from Monday would be a good start.

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