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I wouldn’t be disappointed if they used every pick on the o line.


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Also Alan Robinson has more TDs


Than who? Montgomery? They both have 7. Montgomery had 6 rushing, and 1 receiving.


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I wouldn’t be disappointed if they used every pick on the o line.


True. Also tight end.


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They are paper thin at the position, Montgomery's running style will likely lead to a short career with frequent trips to the injured list and Cohen is more of a third down type back. They do need to bring in some depth at the position, but the type of player they bring in will depend on what they do with the OC role, will the new guy be able to call plays? If the new OC is able to call plays then he will undoubtedly call more run plays than Nagy which would necessitate the need for another quality back to meet the higher volume of carries. If Nagy continues to call plays and is only running the ball 10-20 times per game you can get by with just a couple of backs. If you replace Mitch and bring in a QB that doesn't check out of run plays or switch to the wrong run play, you may also see many more carriers. This team is so screwed up offensively right now that you cannot really tell the RB's are any good because everything else around them sucks.


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Lots of FA options

https://nfltraderumors.co/2020-nfl-free-agent-list/

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How about a coach who knows how to establish a running game?


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How about a coach who knows how to establish a running game?


And people who can open up a hole.

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Nas wrote:
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How about a coach who knows how to establish a running game?

And people who can open up a hole.
Both of these along with a QB who can actually complete a pass downfield would help the running game and offense overall immensely.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Nas wrote:
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How about a coach who knows how to establish a running game?

And people who can open up a hole.
Both of these along with a QB who can actually complete a pass downfield would help the running game and offense overall immensely.



Who is that quarterback? Who is out there that can step in from day one and be an above average quarterback? Pretty much can't be a kid that they draft.

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Monty, Cohen, and a FA. No need to draft a RB.

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Who is that quarterback? Who is out there that can step in from day one and be an above average quarterback?
It's not (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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Who is that quarterback? Who is out there that can step in from day one and be an above average quarterback?
It's not (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


So who is it then? YOu are demanding a new quarterback. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is gone. He isn't in the bears plans. So who do you get to be the starting Bears qb next season that is much better than Mitch? Remember they only have two decent draft picks and a limited amount of money and a shitload of other needs. Who is your answer that will take this team such that it is into the play-offs?

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I posted it three times in another thread a few days ago. It's not my fault you missed it or ignored it.

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- Get a new head coach who actually gives 2 shits about running the ball.
- Upgrade the offensive line.

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What do you wanna see next season at running back?

Same combo as this year?
Sign veteran?
Draft?


There's not going to be any changes at the RB position of note, but they do need to determine Tarik Cohen's role in the offense.

His average per carry dropped from 4.5 to 3.3 and number of carries dropped by 30. He continues to catch a lot of passes (79 this year and 71 the year prior), but there are no big plays, more horizontal than vertical. He isn't the backup RB to Montgomery, and opposing defenses have figured out how to defend him.

Montgomery's role as the #1 back will be solidified heading into next season which is a positive, and the coaching changes suggest a focus on improving the running game. Ideally, his overall touches will increase in both the running and passing game next season. If there is an increased focus on the running game, there could be an argument made for a RB who can get meaningful snaps as a change of pace/backup.

The backup to Montgomery is probably not on the roster unless it's Ryan Nall. Either way, it'll like be a late round draft pick, undrafted free agent or minimum cost veteran RB.

The offensive line needs a reboot. Kyle Long won't be back, both OT's had poor seasons and Whitehair/Daniels positions need to be sorted out. They will at least be a new right guard next season (replacing Long), and the guaranteed money on the contracts of Massie and Leno will likely prevent massive changes. Cornelius Lucas was solid after replacing Massie so this could be a battle for a starting job. I would expect that they look to add a young OT in the draft to add competition.

Nagy needs to be committed to a running game next season. A strong running game and defense is probably the only way they can be a playoff team given the quarterback position, but those need to be amongst the best in the league for this team to get back into the playoffs (along with health).


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Nagy's offensive philosophy needs to evolve. Too many plays spend way too much time behind the line of scrimmage.

The TE position is a disaster. Having the slightest semblance of ability to help block would be a step in the right direction.

It's always important to try and upgrade the OL, but without better TE play and a better scheme, it won't make a huge difference.

Who is running the ball doesn't matter if those other items aren't addressed.

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Probably already said before, but if Cohen could try not to run directly to the sidelines for no gain on a third of his runs, that would be great.

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Montgomery had relatively mediocre stats in college. Why is there such a belief he’s a number 1 rb in the NFL?

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TurdFerguson wrote:
I wouldn’t be disappointed if they used every pick on the o line.


Me neither if you throw in a tight end also. Anyone know how much free agent money the BEars have?

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I posted it three times in another thread a few days ago. It's not my fault you missed it or ignored it.


Humor us with your great knowledge, Frank. Who is the Messiah for the Bears at the quarterback position? I saw that the Bears are STUCK with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky good or bad because of two things. One, they do not have a high number one draft pick to draft some world beater of a quarterback and two, there really are not any even average qbs available in free agency or to trade for.

Good quarterbacks are a rare breed in football. To me the Bears should find a coach who can help develop (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and hire a GM that understands how to grow and develop an offense. THe jury is still out on Nagy as a head coach and developer of an offense. This is what the top management have allowed this team to become. The offense is a freeking mess. PERIOD.

To me, it shouldn't be hard for any good GM to find three offensive linemen via free agency and the draft. Also it shouldn't be hard to find a good TE. Hell, good teams have done in in no time whatsoever. Yet, to the Chicago Bears these two things appear to be out of the world too hard for them to do. Why is that, Frank?

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PortageP_Chi wrote:
What do you wanna see next season at running back?

Same combo as this year?
Sign veteran?
Draft?


There's not going to be any changes at the RB position of note, but they do need to determine Tarik Cohen's role in the offense.

His average per carry dropped from 4.5 to 3.3 and number of carries dropped by 30. He continues to catch a lot of passes (79 this year and 71 the year prior), but there are no big plays, more horizontal than vertical. He isn't the backup RB to Montgomery, and opposing defenses have figured out how to defend him.

Montgomery's role as the #1 back will be solidified heading into next season which is a positive, and the coaching changes suggest a focus on improving the running game. Ideally, his overall touches will increase in both the running and passing game next season. If there is an increased focus on the running game, there could be an argument made for a RB who can get meaningful snaps as a change of pace/backup.

The backup to Montgomery is probably not on the roster unless it's Ryan Nall. Either way, it'll like be a late round draft pick, undrafted free agent or minimum cost veteran RB.

The offensive line needs a reboot. Kyle Long won't be back, both OT's had poor seasons and Whitehair/Daniels positions need to be sorted out. They will at least be a new right guard next season (replacing Long), and the guaranteed money on the contracts of Massie and Leno will likely prevent massive changes. Cornelius Lucas was solid after replacing Massie so this could be a battle for a starting job. I would expect that they look to add a young OT in the draft to add competition.

Nagy needs to be committed to a running game next season. A strong running game and defense is probably the only way they can be a playoff team given the quarterback position, but those need to be amongst the best in the league for this team to get back into the playoffs (along with health).


IF they do not cut Massie and Leno and find a good guard to replace Long, they are DOOMED next season. I don't care about the money. They cannot scheme around having two awful offensive tackles and Lucas is not an answer to the right offensive tackle spot. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Probably already said before, but if Cohen could try not to run directly to the sidelines for no gain on a third of his runs, that would be great.


I think Cohen has been totally misused since his rookie year. I still like the guy's potential but without having some space, he's just not big enough to break tackles.

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Montgomery had relatively mediocre stats in college. Why is there such a belief he’s a number 1 rb in the NFL?


I think people expected more out of Montgomery because he was being compared to Kareem Hunt in the Matt Nagy offense with KC in 2017. Now people are realizing that Montgomery will never be on the same level as Kareem Hunt.


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Nobody compared him to Kareem Hunt.

2 different body types/running styles.

Stop being silly.

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Nobody compared him to Kareem Hunt.

2 different body types/running styles.

Stop being silly.

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Wow I’m dumb

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Sorry man. fwiw, I don't think he's going to be Kareem Hunt :lol:


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He’s Melvin Gordon. He’ll similarly shed the bust label

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He’s Melvin Gordon. He’ll similarly shed the bust label


LOL.... hope this is sarcasm. Melvin Gordon was a freak in college. Near 8.0 yards per carry and had like 5000 yards rushing. Not even close in comparison. :lol: :lol:


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