Some moron had Kizer as the top pick.

Imagine being that asshole, especially when trying to dunk on Pace.

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was that me? I hope not. I remember being pro Watson and anti Mitch that draft. Had no opinion on Mahomes.

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I don't think so.

Dan Durkin is the guy I'm talking about.

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Could be worse. An nfl writer famously said Nathan Peterman was the best QB from that draft.

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Great argument. The standard NFL stats are cherry picked. Gotcha. See you next time I order something online.

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it’s not the standard and I doubt that since I’m quite sure I have a better job than you based on our last conversation in person ya fucking coward.

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This is a false narrative. NFL.com has (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky no 1

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ite-talent

Si had Watson 1 and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 4
https://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings

Fox sports had (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 1 and Mahomes 8.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/n ... 011917-011

Pff had it like this: (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes.https://www.pff.com/news/ranking-the-to ... -prospects

So like I said there was no clear consensus and the more you dig the more you'll find that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky eclipsed Watson in the rankings. You didn't provide a source when you stated Watson was the "consensus" top pick. He wasn't.

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He was. You’re cherry picking sources. Watch the draft. Everyone was surprised by the pick. Watson just came off an incredible college career that included beating Alabama in the title game. He was the consensus top pick.

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He liked (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Mahomes. He worked out both and interviewed both. They were the top 2 players on his board. He drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. I don't know how it's possible to see both of those guys perform and select (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. This coming from someone who doesn't hate (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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What is wrong with using a players entire season as a sample size? I think I'm fine with the way I use data. You're the guy who backs up your support of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky by saying "he threw some nice passes". There's rarely anything I say that I can't objectively support.

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The only question about Watson was his health.

Mitch rose up after he was done actually playing games.

Height and whether he was a system QB were the knocks on Mahomes.

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You're gonna have to define what you mean by consensus. I just linked to some of the most well known publications in the football world demonstrating that scouts and personnel people differed on who was the best prospect. One of the sources I linked to said Watson was the best pick. I can't be cherry picking if I pick something that potentially undermines my own argument. That's not cherry picking. That's called being intellectually honest.

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I don’t support (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. I’ve been pretty consistent in my opinion about him.

What’s wrong with the way you use data in this context is you’re ignoring a 10 year career in favor of smaller sample sizes, you’re using a clickbait grading system as “data” when it’s not, and you’re ignoring the context of the league in which nobody who watched would have ever considered Stafford a top 6 QB at any point.

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I clearly said this year for Stafford.

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I didn't like it because he came from the ACC, he didn't beat out the starter when he first got there, and he didn't have a lot of games played. And the trade just made it worse.

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And I clearly said you were wrong and explained why. Nobody in their right mind is taking Stafford 6th overall at QB right now. This is where your box score analysis clearly betrays you.

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People were surprised by the trade. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was rated as well as any of them. Of course some liked others better. Some people liked Ryan Leaf better than Eli's brother.

Citing winning the national title as a quarterback would get you laughed out of the draft coverage room.

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a lot of people liked kizer a lot but yes dan durkin should not be one of the twitter experts dunking on pace considering he did have kizer as the best QB in that draft

That’s wrong. His play in big games, especially that one, was often cited as a positive when talking about him as a prospect. Unlike Mitch we actually saw him do it on the field against the best team in the country.

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Look at the list of national championship winning quarterbacks. Tell me how that is worth mentioning.

Trubiskty, Watson, and Mahomes were similarly rated. That's why the trade was so dumb. You can see it in the draft thread here.

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It's not just that he won it, it's how he played in the game and other big games against the best competition.

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If Watson didn't have the knee injuries..he's #1 on every board. I can't blame teams for being cautious..I wouldn't touch Tua.

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Agreed! I'm more bothered by any team who works out (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Mahomes and walks away believing that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is better.

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The trade up was dumb. That aside, you can see why the Bears liked Mitch. He has the legs and the arm strength. He seems to have enough leadership abilities. But what he lacks is an ability to read defenses and questionable accuracy. Of course his limited college career made him a bigger wild card.

I don’t touch Watson given the injury.

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I liked Watson coming out of school but virtually no other elite quarterback in the NFL right now has that on their resume.

If you are holding (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's team strength against him then Mahomes shouldn't have been drafted. Mahomes couldn't even give his team a winning record his last year.

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I don't touch Watson now. That style of play won't last long. He takes a beating because he's reckless.

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Mitch doesn't have a strong arm

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It's NFL caliber. Good enough.

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mitchell would have just held his hands over his ears waiting for matt nagy to tell him what target to throw at because that's how the bears offense works