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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:46 am 
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Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.

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The bottom line is that Mitch sucks when you try to force him into a system he doesn’t fit into.. he can be good if you work with his strengths. A lot of people here seem to have brought this up. Like Ive been saying in earlier threads all year long.. a lot of this is coaching -and the coaching/playcalling on offense has been mostly bad this year.


Mitch isn’t special tho, I feel Watson has the talent to actually become a special player. I don’t see that in Mitch tbh


This, also because Mitch can't make multiple reads to save his ass. Last yr, if Read 1 wasn't open, he'd take off running and it was enough given the awesome D the Bears had. This yr, I think Nagy tried making Mitch stay in the pocket to make another read instead of running and we've all seen Mitch just can't do it. Coupled with a weaker OL, a banged up defense and the offense sputtering the first couple of months, Nagy had no choice but to abandon making Mitch better and go back to making things simpler for him (Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Mitch to be a special player). It's worked the last 3 games more because of the opponents' bad defenses than actual progress being made by (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Green Bay's defense is supposed to be better than the Giants/Lions/Cowboys so next Sunday, we'll see if it's legit progress.





I don’t agree with the ‘making things simpler’ -I prefer to look at it as Nagy changed what he was doing because it doesn’t fit Mitch’s skill set. Nagy had all season last year to evaluate this and improperly decided to keep forcing Mitch into a situation he didn’t fit into. Yes, better defenses will make this look different, but better defenses make all offenses look different.. and at least using Mitch to his strengths will give the team the best chance possible on offense win or lose.


And aside from Mitch, there’s just been poor game planning and play calling to go along with forcing Mitch into a situation that isn’t a good fit.


Agreed on the O-line being bad, which doesn’t help things at all.

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I'm an unabashed Mitch fan. I'm not ashamed to admit that.

Mitch deserves more credit than he’s given but slamming Watson to make that point just makes you look like a moron.


You think Watson played well yesterday?


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Hub Arkush thinks Mitch is well positioned to bounce back next year.


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Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

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The Hawk wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

Thanks,

A Disappointed Chicago Bear's Fan


i'm more in line with thinking the #2 pick of the draft should be the reason you win games.... and you shouldnt have to place him in the perfect situation just to coax decent play out of him


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The bottom line is that Mitch sucks when you try to force him into a system he doesn’t fit into.. he can be good if you work with his strengths. A lot of people here seem to have brought this up. Like Ive been saying in earlier threads all year long.. a lot of this is coaching -and the coaching/playcalling on offense has been mostly bad this year.


Mitch isn’t special tho, I feel Watson has the talent to actually become a special player. I don’t see that in Mitch tbh


This, also because Mitch can't make multiple reads to save his ass. Last yr, if Read 1 wasn't open, he'd take off running and it was enough given the awesome D the Bears had. This yr, I think Nagy tried making Mitch stay in the pocket to make another read instead of running and we've all seen Mitch just can't do it. Coupled with a weaker OL, a banged up defense and the offense sputtering the first couple of months, Nagy had no choice but to abandon making Mitch better and go back to making things simpler for him (Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Mitch to be a special player). It's worked the last 3 games more because of the opponents' bad defenses than actual progress being made by (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Green Bay's defense is supposed to be better than the Giants/Lions/Cowboys so next Sunday, we'll see if it's legit progress.





I don’t agree with the ‘making things simpler’ -I prefer to look at it as Nagy changed what he was doing because it doesn’t fit Mitch’s skill set. Nagy had all season last year to evaluate this and improperly decided to keep forcing Mitch into a situation he didn’t fit into. Yes, better defenses will make this look different, but better defenses make all offenses look different.. and at least using Mitch to his strengths will give the team the best chance possible on offense win or lose.


And aside from Mitch, there’s just been poor game planning and play calling to go along with forcing Mitch into a situation that isn’t a good fit.


Agreed on the O-line being bad, which doesn’t help things at all.


Could be you're right. I think, though, that Mitch go hurt and Nagy covered it up and tried to mask it by keeping Mitch in the pocket. It really didn't make sense to me unless he was hurt because it is clear to me that his real strength are his legs and mobility in general.

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good dolphin wrote:
Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

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i'm more in line with thinking the #2 pick of the draft should be the reason you win games.... and you shouldnt have to place him in the perfect situation just to coax decent play out of him


Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?

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Nas wrote:
billypootons wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

Thanks,

A Disappointed Chicago Bear's Fan


i'm more in line with thinking the #2 pick of the draft should be the reason you win games.... and you shouldnt have to place him in the perfect situation just to coax decent play out of him


Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?

Kyler Murray transformed Arizona's offense from one of the worst in recent memory to middle of the pack offensively.

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FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

Thanks,

A Disappointed Chicago Bear's Fan


i'm more in line with thinking the #2 pick of the draft should be the reason you win games.... and you shouldnt have to place him in the perfect situation just to coax decent play out of him


Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?

Kyler Murray transformed Arizona's offense from one of the worst in recent memory to middle of the pack offensively.


The new coach transformed the offense. Murray implemented his instructions

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The new coach transformed the offense. Murray implemented his instructions

Regardless of who you want to credit more it's still an example from as recently as this season that fits Nas's request.

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FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
billypootons wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

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i'm more in line with thinking the #2 pick of the draft should be the reason you win games.... and you shouldnt have to place him in the perfect situation just to coax decent play out of him


Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?

Kyler Murray transformed Arizona's offense from one of the worst in recent memory to middle of the pack offensively.


HoF WR and a really good and possibly elite RB.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
billypootons wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Agreed.

I think we need to just evaluate Mitch on his own merits and stop the comparisons.


That is 100% correct.

Dear God,

Give Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a good offensive line and a tight end please.

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A Disappointed Chicago Bear's Fan


i'm more in line with thinking the #2 pick of the draft should be the reason you win games.... and you shouldnt have to place him in the perfect situation just to coax decent play out of him


Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?

Kyler Murray transformed Arizona's offense from one of the worst in recent memory to middle of the pack offensively.


HoF WR and a really good and possibly elite RB.


They were so good they were 32nd in points last year!


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HoF WR and a really good and possibly elite RB.

Fitz is 36 and I don't even know what RB you are referring to. Kenyan Drake?

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Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?


Carolina was dead last in total offense in 2010 both in yards and points, then Cam Newton arrived and they were 7th in yards and 6th in points in 2011. In 2010 and 2011 they had both steve smith and dangelo williams and the same exact offensive line.

edit: it does appear williams was injured in 2010 but i think it is still an obvious example of a QB instantly revitalizing an offense.


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Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?


Carolina was dead last in total offense in 2010 both in yards and points, then Cam Newton arrived and they were 7th in yards and 6th in points in 2011. In 2010 and 2011 they had both steve smith and dangelo williams and the same exact offensive line.

edit: it does appear williams was injured in 2010 but i think it is still an obvious example of a QB instantly revitalizing an offense.


The Bears have NONE of those weapons. I'm looking for a QB who came to a team when the cupboard was bare and had success.

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Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?


Carolina was dead last in total offense in 2010 both in yards and points, then Cam Newton arrived and they were 7th in yards and 6th in points in 2011. In 2010 and 2011 they had both steve smith and dangelo williams and the same exact offensive line.

edit: it does appear williams was injured in 2010 but i think it is still an obvious example of a QB instantly revitalizing an offense.


The Bears have NONE of those weapons. I'm looking for a QB who came to a team when the cupboard was bare and had success.


Well you have gotten 2 examples of teams with literally the worst offenses in the league that turned it around immediately with the addition of a top pick QB and you have invalidated them both because apparently those 32nd-ranked offenses were too good.


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Name a top draft pick who has come into the league with a shit offense and had success?


Carolina was dead last in total offense in 2010 both in yards and points, then Cam Newton arrived and they were 7th in yards and 6th in points in 2011. In 2010 and 2011 they had both steve smith and dangelo williams and the same exact offensive line.

edit: it does appear williams was injured in 2010 but i think it is still an obvious example of a QB instantly revitalizing an offense.


The Bears have NONE of those weapons. I'm looking for a QB who came to a team when the cupboard was bare and had success.


Well you have gotten 2 examples of teams with literally the worst offenses in the league that turned it around immediately with the addition of a top pick QB and you have invalidated them both because apparently those 32nd-ranked offenses were too good.


If you have talent and you bring in a good quarterback your team will improve. When you have shit talent and you bring in a quarterback that doesn't happen immediately. Both teams had elite players.

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Do you think a 36 year old Larry Fitzgerald is elite?

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there is nobody in their right minds that thought Arizona had elite talent going into this season.


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If teams that are dead last in offense have “elite” talent but are just missing a good QB to become average, just think how good the Bears not dead last in the league offense would be if they had a good QB!


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Do you think a 36 year old Larry Fitzgerald is elite?


I think Fitzgerald is still a really good WR and better than any player (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had on his roster when he was drafted. After all NONE of the receivers or TE's are in the NFL now. None of the players listed came into the league with a Kendall Wright as their best WR.

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You’re just way too stubborn about a mediocre/bad QB.

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Russell Wilson also inherited a bad offense and immediately improved them. That crappy 7-9 team that flipped to 11-5 his first year probably doesn't qualify either.


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Russell Wilson also inherited a bad offense and immediately improved them. That crappy 7-9 team that flipped to 11-5 his first year probably doesn't qualify either.


Let's say you all are right and those offenses had no talent. What do all 3 quarterbacks have in common besides being black? They're great runners. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can run but he's not that level of athlete.

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