Used to love drinking at "Call Me Moose" Skowron's place on 35th and Laramie… I could "listen" to him talk baseball all day long When the Yankees were in town Williams, O'Neil. Posada, and Zimmer (who would have to leave by noon post time at Aqueduct ) would stop in. Moose once told a story he hit a homer off Early Wynn...got back to the dugout and Maris and Mantle asked him what he hit a curve or a slider Moose told them he threw the fuckin ball and I hit it

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Making what the Astros did perfectly legal to the point where teams can legally tell the hitter what pitch is coming as the pitcher begins his motion is only a marginal benefit?

I haven't looked into this, but it doesn't seem like a batter could get the signal w/in a second or so from when the pitch crosses the plate and that's with everything going on around him. Certainly not with a good pitcher who gets the ball and goes, not leaving much processing time. I just don't think that it's that big of an advantage in that case.

And fwiw, as I can't stand them, if slow pitchers get rocked, it's fine by me anyways.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

1919

Moose was not gifted with intelligence but the Lord made up for it with kindness.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Now it’s true, I did NOT play pro ball, but I think it is safe to say that in a world where anything goes and electronic intelligence is permitted to steal signs in any situation, and the dugout is allowed to openly bang out or call out pitches to a hitter when the pitcher is set and starting his delivery, there is no way that would not change the game forever in a major way. If it were allowed, managers or coaches or teammates would be sitting openly in the dugout with a tablet on a live stream, not hiding in the tunnel banging out Morse code. They had no choice but to take the bull by the horns and completely outlaw it.

The truth about Mariano was that no two of his pitches were the same. He changed the speed of his pitches all of the time and could also change the break on his ball. He also had terrific control. o you think that there is any pitcher around today as good as Mariano was?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I didn't call anyone dumb. I say that if a hitter knows what pitch is going to be thrown he is in a better position to hit it than if he is guessing what it is going to be. If you disagree with that then you are stupid. I didn't say that they would hit it but that they had a better chance of hitting it. I also enjoy the "argument" where someone brought up Mariano Rivera. Hell, why doesn't someone bring up Bob Gibson or Sandy Koufax or Nolan Ryan? But guess what, folks, these kind of guys are the best of all time. Their stuff was special.

But this is crazy. 99% of all pitchers are not in the same echelon as Rivera or Gibson or Koufax. And if you tell a good major league hitter that an average pitcher is going to throw a fastball to him and he can sit on it, the chances are that he will hit it hard is much better than if he does not know that it is coming. That is only common sense.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

What a really dumb shit you are. What the Astros and Red Sox did was outside of the rules of baseball. It is clear and the fact that you do not understand why it was wrong really shows how mentally slow you really are.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

They probably changed the way that they sent the message to the hitter. I'm just guessing. That isn't the point, though. The relay of the information is really immaterial. The point is that they used technology to steal the sign from the catcher.

Are you really that F*ing dumb? Wait.....You ARE THAT DUMB aren't you?

There is nothing wrong if a coach or player steals a catchers sign or a coaches sign or a managers sign. It happens all of the time in baseball. When people start using binoculars, or video feeds, etc. to intercept these signs, then that is bullshit. I'd say, further, that if a team gets caught doing this kind of shit going forward, then the game should be forfeited and the manager suspended for lets say at least ten games and if it happens again then a much longer suspension should occur.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

That fat man actually hit a home run last season. After about what 40 major league season, he finally hit a ball out of the ball partk

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Howie Rose's call on the Mets radio broadcast is wonderful.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Some pitchers have been exposed in the past about what their glove position is. There are also things in a pitchers delivery that can be picked up which a hitter can pick up to tell him what might be coming. Sometimes where a guy stands on the rubber can also be an indicator. All of that is fair game and is actually fun when you get into it.

But imagine this scenario. The grip on a baseball is a huge factor in what a pitch is. If a team can pick up the grip of a baseball and relay it to a batter whether that grip indicates that the pitch will be a slider, fastball, change-up or curve, think of what that means. And nobody tell me that these assholes haven't already figured out how to do that because I am sure that they have.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

So what if the Astros cheated.
Trump is worse.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

if you think that these are the only two teams to use technology to steal signs you are naïve ….they all do it these 2 happen to get caught;;;still no explanation on getting 2 and 3 hit?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

That goes without saying. He just hired Cora to work on his campaign.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

the solution is simple make it legal for anyone to steal signs,,,,,done

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Next to the Astros, the Cubs had the best home/road splits. Can’t rule them out.

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Have a feeling some form of cheating using available technology is common. MLB opened a big can.of worms.

No you can't.

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Elections have consequences.

Maybe yes maybe no but if they are it seems they better stop now.

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Elections have consequences.

MLB didn't want to open it. Mike Fiers forced them to.

Inside the sport this type of cheating was common knowledge well before Fiers.

The now holier than thou MLB how about releasing everyone's name who tested positive for roids

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Sounds like MLB should fier him.

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was that the guy who had that porn site that Mac loved so much?

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

You're probably thinking of the porn star Mac loves, Ashley Fires.

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I don't think that they all do it. Maybe a few. I am sure though, that the message has been sent to the teams not to let it happen again. When managers, GMs and coaches lose their jobs and possibly their careers by cheating, then those watching this happen have to be scared. I hope that no one hires them back although I am pretty sure someone will.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

It is legal to steal signs. It is illegal to use technology to do it.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/01/15/yes-more-teams-than-the-astros-and-red-sox-stole-signs-but-that-doesnt-excuse-them/

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.