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Who is the better QB in 2020? (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or Minshew?
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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted

If the right guys falls to them in the second round you definitely do it. I think that is unlikely though.

Who's the right guy?

If Tua drops because of injury concerns.

I would even take a chance on Jake Fromm with the second second round pick. Obviously, this would depend on how he performs in the lead up to the draft.

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April
A lot of teams are going to take him off the board for injury concerns. I doubt he falls to 43 though but the NFL draft has crazy things happen like that especially when injuries are a concern. As of now, Tua is going to miss the combine and plans to "throw" for teams prior to the draft. There is already talk that he is "hopeful" to be able to play in 2020.

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some team will take a flier on him late first even if he has his leg amputated.

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I don't know if there is a quarterback example of a catastrophic injury dropping them but his injury concerns are very similar to a guy like Frank Gore in terms of multiple surgeries leading right up to the draft. If he throws and looks normal he isn't getting out of the first round.

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I don't know if there is a quarterback example of a catastrophic injury dropping them but his injury concerns are very similar to a guy like Frank Gore in terms of multiple surgeries leading right up to the draft. If he throws and looks normal he isn't getting out of the first round.
Unless he tweeted something about blacks or gays five years ago!

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I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.



Murray and Minishew looked a hell of a lot better than Mitch.
Murray was #1 overall though. I'm not penciling in a 6th round pick as a starter in game 1 of next year.


Imagine if Pete Carrol had your stubbornness, Matt Flynn would have started for 3 or 4 years.

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312 is definitely meatball enough to have the mustache in the pro column.



Da Coatch, Coatch Q, and Minchew all have mustaches. Gotta get a guy with a mustache to win!


I'm clean shaven 99% of the time, I think mustaches look bad on almost everybody..aside from Tom Selleck or Sam Elliot and a handful of other guys..I'd like to see Minishew lose it.

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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted


Why not Hurts in the 2nd?

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they should have an open competition/try-out with every has-been and never-was willing to come in on their own dime.

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they should have an open competition/try-out with every has-been and never-was willing to come in on their own dime.

Tom Savage is the hero Chicago needs right now

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April
A lot of teams are going to take him off the board for injury concerns. I doubt he falls to 43 though but the NFL draft has crazy things happen like that especially when injuries are a concern. As of now, Tua is going to miss the combine and plans to "throw" for teams prior to the draft. There is already talk that he is "hopeful" to be able to play in 2020.


If he falls out of the first, he is only controlled for four years. If the first is a redshirt, that makes drafting him in the second a very difficult proposition.

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April
A lot of teams are going to take him off the board for injury concerns. I doubt he falls to 43 though but the NFL draft has crazy things happen like that especially when injuries are a concern. As of now, Tua is going to miss the combine and plans to "throw" for teams prior to the draft. There is already talk that he is "hopeful" to be able to play in 2020.


If he falls out of the first, he is only controlled for four years. If the first is a redshirt, that makes drafting him in the second a very difficult proposition.

I think it's inconceivable he falls out of the 1st round, and really out of the top 5.

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Rick, I firmly believe Fromm will absolutely suck.. he's got no business in the NFL. I wouldn't take that scrub with a 6th round pick.

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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted


Why not Hurts in the 2nd?


I think what you saw against LSU and his time at Alabama is what you are getting. I say this knowing OK just sent a couple of QB into the NFL. I don't know. I think the Combine and workouts are going to be very important for him

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April
A lot of teams are going to take him off the board for injury concerns. I doubt he falls to 43 though but the NFL draft has crazy things happen like that especially when injuries are a concern. As of now, Tua is going to miss the combine and plans to "throw" for teams prior to the draft. There is already talk that he is "hopeful" to be able to play in 2020.


If he falls out of the first, he is only controlled for four years. If the first is a redshirt, that makes drafting him in the second a very difficult proposition.

I think it's inconceivable he falls out of the 1st round, and really out of the top 5.

If he can't throw before the draft?

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Rick, I firmly believe Fromm will absolutely suck.. he's got no business in the NFL. I wouldn't take that scrub with a 6th round pick.

You have to take a chance with any second round QB.

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April
A lot of teams are going to take him off the board for injury concerns. I doubt he falls to 43 though but the NFL draft has crazy things happen like that especially when injuries are a concern. As of now, Tua is going to miss the combine and plans to "throw" for teams prior to the draft. There is already talk that he is "hopeful" to be able to play in 2020.


If he falls out of the first, he is only controlled for four years. If the first is a redshirt, that makes drafting him in the second a very difficult proposition.

I think it's inconceivable he falls out of the 1st round, and really out of the top 5.

If he can't throw before the draft?

That seems very unlikely as of now but yes even if he's still hurt come draft time. He's valued too highly as a prospect when healthy and QB is too important. He's not falling out of the first round.

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I guess he won't be a Bear then.

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I guess he won't be a Bear then.

Might be able to sign him in 2025 after five injury plagued seasons in Miami and then he becomes like this year's Tannehill.

Trust the Process.

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Can't see Tua falling out of the top 10 unless he manages to re-injure himself somehow between now and April
A lot of teams are going to take him off the board for injury concerns. I doubt he falls to 43 though but the NFL draft has crazy things happen like that especially when injuries are a concern. As of now, Tua is going to miss the combine and plans to "throw" for teams prior to the draft. There is already talk that he is "hopeful" to be able to play in 2020.


If he falls out of the first, he is only controlled for four years. If the first is a redshirt, that makes drafting him in the second a very difficult proposition.

I think it's inconceivable he falls out of the 1st round, and really out of the top 5.

If he can't throw before the draft?

That seems very unlikely as of now but yes even if he's still hurt come draft time. He's valued too highly as a prospect when healthy and QB is too important. He's not falling out of the first round.
This. Hell, if he couldn't play next season he would be a great pick late in the 1st for a team with a good but aging QB that plans to play a few more years. Can't think of one at the moment though...

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Why not Hurts in the 2nd?

Because they need to draft TACKLES

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Why not Hurts in the 2nd?

Because they need to draft TACKLES


Tackles for Nagy's offense? No thanks. When he is gone in a year or two, we will be stuck with an OL that can't pound the trenches.

Rather they sign a couple guys to the OL and draft a TE for Nagy's offense. Otherwise you are going to get another year of excuses when his offense fails with no real TE.


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Why not Hurts in the 2nd?

Because they need to draft TACKLES


Tackles for Nagy's offense? No thanks. When he is gone in a year or two, we will be stuck with an OL that can't pound the trenches.

Rather they sign a couple guys to the OL and draft a TE for Nagy's offense. Otherwise you are going to get another year of excuses when his offense fails with no real TE.


We really can't go wrong with either. TE, OL and Edge Rusher are all priorities. An argument can be made for drafting any of these positions.


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Nope. Sunk cost in sports context deals with cutting an underperforming veteran player with a bad contract.

Player development is an entirely different consideration. Money isn't a negative issue, in fact, it is a benefit. I don't think Mitch's performance last year was definitive. It's just that the development is in conflict with a window of opportunity created by surrounding talent.


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It's actually not anywhere close to a sunk cost. Whether they cut (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky today or he is on the roster for next season he costs the exact same price. A sunk cost fallacy is spending extra money because you have already spent money. There is no decision for this year to spend even a single extra dollar on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Even if you think there is a 1% chance that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky returns back to the form of his 2nd season you must keep him. Draft a rookie or sign a potential starter but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky must be on the team for next year.


We're focusing too much on the money here - sunk cost is inclusive of things beyond money, including opportunity costs. It doesn't matter if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's contract is 500M/year or 100.00/year - he's a sunk cost because you will not recoup the time and money you've invested in him (i.e. he'll never be the reason you're in a Super Bowl, which was the goal of the investment at no 2 +), and keeping him around as the starter simply because you've paid him/picked him at no. 2 is the fallacy part. The cost of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that's really hurting the Bears is not his cap hit but the fact that you can't capitalize on the Super Bowl-contending defense because the QB's performance is holding the team back from contending. That's really all that matters.

In each of your posts you failed to mention the enormous opportunity cost we're currently paying (failing to capitalize on the strength of the defense) to keep (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky around simply because he's a high draft pick. Optimize your chances of winning on the strength of the defense by making changes at the position that's holding you back from succeeding. Like IMU said, cut your losses (i.e. stop believing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can lead the team to the SB) and move on (replace him and/or plan to replace him by signing someone who has a viable chance of beating him out in a competition). You don't stick with him simply because he's a high draft pick. That analysis is extremely short-sighted for many reasons, including how it ignores that there's a Super Bowl caliber defense sitting right in front of our eyes that is being wasted by the same guy you want to retain for no persuasively objective reason

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There is at least some chance (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky figures it out next year. All it costs you to see is a roster spot. I agree on getting another QB but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will be competing for the job no matter what.

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All it costs you to see is a roster spot..


And the prime years of a ready to win now defense.

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All it costs you to see is a roster spot..


And the prime years of a ready to win now defense.

Well you can still do any move you want and have (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Put him as a backup.

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Trade him for a 6th


I would be interested to know what the actual trade value is for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and who would want him?


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