As I mentioned earlier, his OPS+, which adjusts for Coors field, was still better than ARod, Griffey, Reggie Jackson, and Vlad. The steroids question is a separate issue.

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Same way Piazza did. I'd rather see Bonds and Clemens get in. At least there was a period of time where they were HOFers without help.

This.

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Bonds 60% Clemens 61%. It's ridiculous. They are punished because they are the best of the roiders. The 2nd tier gets in.

Well, he's the best defensive guy at his position and he hit the second most famous homer of all time.

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I don't really need Walker in the Hall. I don't think he's the worst guy in there though. And even if you think he was a product of a ballpark, which he obviously was to some degree, I would say Chuck Klein and the Baker Bowl is a good comp for Walker and Coors and Klein is in.

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At least Vlad got in first.

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He's pretty famous. But so are the 8 men out. Fame as in the Hall of Fame, is a misnomer. Hall of Great is more apt.

Mazeroski was a seven time All-Star. I think ten or eleven time if you count the years they had two games. He won eight Gold Gloves. His offensive numbers are a little on the light side overall, but not for a middle infielder in his era. If you think he's borderline, then maybe that World Series home run to beat a team many thought was one of the best ever kicks him over the top.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Honestly, I don't know shit about him other than that cheapy HR.

Just kidding. He hit the shit out of it.

Iconic!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Og0gUKfvc

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm guessing you've got Bobby Thompson #1.

I wonder if there isn't a serious challenge for #2 overall by the Kirk Gibson 1988 HR?

All Star appearances are as fraudulent as counting Pro Bowls. Especially back then when every team got a guy on a roster. I've always been a fan of Baines, but even I can't tout his ASG games as a legit measuring stick vs. guys of his era. Not without laughing.

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Not likely. No Boston or NYC team was involved.

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Podsednik.

Just kidding. Yeah, I'd have Thomson #1. That was a given for a long time. But I think the consensus has probably changed now though since those homers were so long ago. A younger guy might have Carter or Gibson as #1.

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I think Mazeroski was before every team got a man on the roster. It's not like he was Steve Swisher or something. He was the best second baseman in the NL for a good period of time.

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I honestly have always thought that was the rule since inception of the game, which was little more than a Depression era gimmick to give each of the teams a little extra promotion. As for the 2B position, there were/are fewer guys at that position because most couldn't hit, and even fewer had enough flair to sell tickets. He embodies that in total. Sandberg at least could hit and make the drunks happy.

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I know Carter's was to win the WS, but Gibson's has to be better. He was ice cold coming off the bench, and was basically patched together with cotton balls and band aids by that point.

Podsednik having zero regular season HRs, then hitting a walkoff in the World Series doesn't get the love it deserves. If a Red Sox player did that in 2004 or 2007, it would be shown on highlight reels every chance they got.

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Yeah I'd agree that with the passage of time some of the older memorable plays can fall down the list.

I'd think that the general consensus among baseball people/fans, is that you're looking at: Thompson, Maz, Fisk, Gibson, and Carter as your top 5 most famous HRs.

I mean maybe Bucky Dent squeezes Carter off that list, but I dunno.

Not far enough. There'd be at least two movies about it starring Mark Wahlberg as Podsednik.

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Clemens was juicing from day one.

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Gibson and Carter's homers are ahead of Mazeroski's.

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Fisk 1975

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There is a lot of truth here. I'd argue that Podseknik's HR off of Lidge was more improbable than Gibson's HR off of Eckersley.

There was just a whole lot more going for that 1988 WS than for the 2005 WS. I'd argue that the star power was way more potent in 1988. The Bash Brothers were about the hottest thing in baseball, Canseco was a transcendent star. LA was probably baseball's most high profile market at the time. Hershiser had just set the consecutive scoreless inning streak, there were fewer playoff rounds to dilute the memorable moments. Eckersley was un-hittable at that time. Also there was the david vs goliath vibe to that series, especially with Hershiser not starting more than 2 games and Gibson all fucked up.

Maz belonged in the HOF. People now look at the numbers and the game as it gets played now and downgrade the previous guys a lot. That's too bad. Maz was a terrific player. He, to me, was the National League comp to Little Louie Aparicio who to me still is the best defensive shortstop of all time. If you put Maz together with Louie in the same infield it would have been magic to watch.

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Gibson had the HUGE ADVANTAGE of having Vin Scully's call when it happened. The media since then has really played the drama of the event also.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

The Carter home run is the best and it isn't close. I was rooting for Wild Thing too. I would also put Pods in my top 5.

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I like busting out the Joe Carter picture for only the most exceptional burns on this board. I think I Joe Carter a post maybe once, twice a year.

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All based on the walk. Something guys like Aparicio and Maz weren't trying to take. So we've retroactively downgraded them and Tony Perez and Jim Rice and retroactively upgraded Santo, Dwight Evans, and Darrell Porter.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don