He broke the number one rule of the game. It's right on a sign in every clubhouse. And I have no doubt he lost games on purpose which is a whole lot different than juicing up or stealing signs in an attempt to win games.

And I know people will argue that he claims he never stiffed his team. But he's lied the entire way through. First he never bet baseball. LIE. Then the story was that he never bet games his teams were in. LIE. Then it became, well, he only bet his team to win. I have to wonder if that was a LIE too. Because it's a lot harder to guarantee a win than it is to create a loss. And he owed a bunch of money to his bookmakers. Do we really think he draws the moral line at not losing a game on purpose?

And I know there's the argument that he likes to use himself that all he ever wanted to do was win. And who could question that one thing about Charlie Hustle? But I could completely see him justifying one purposeful loss by thinking "we're gonna finish second six games behind, what difference does it make if we're seven games behind?" Tell his bookmaker and trade the loss for wiping out what he owes.

And even if you're 100% convinced he never went in the tank, he has acknowledged betting on his team. What did that tell bookies/gamblers about the days he didn't bet on them? And did he handle his team differently on days he bet?

Beyond all that, the guy was a dick. False hustle and showboating all the way. Running a hundred miles an hour on a walk. Just a complete jagoff. If a black player had acted the way Rose did he would have been called a "hot dog". Instead this asswipe was an American hero who dipshits lauded for playing "the right way".

Fuck Pete Rose.

Why?

He broke the number one rule of the game. It's right on a sign in every clubhouse. And I have no doubt he lost games on purpose which is a whole lot different than juicing up or stealing signs in an attempt to win games.

And I know people will argue that he claims he never stiffed his team. But he's lied the entire way through. First he never bet baseball. LIE. Then the story was that he never bet games his teams were in. LIE. Then it became, well, he only bet his team to win. I have to wonder if that was a LIE too. Because it's a lot harder to guarantee a win than it is to create a loss. And he owed a bunch of money to his bookmakers. Do we really think he draws the moral line at not losing a game on purpose?

And I know there's the argument that he likes to use himself that all he ever wanted to do was win. And who could question that one thing about Charlie Hustle? But I could completely see him justifying one purposeful loss by thinking "we're gonna finish second six games behind, what difference does it make if we're seven games behind?" Tell his bookmaker and trade the loss for wiping out what he owes.

And even if you're 100% convinced he never went in the tank, he has acknowledged betting on his team. What did that tell bookies/gamblers about the days he didn't bet on them? And did he handle his team differently on days he bet?

Beyond all that, the guy was a dick. False hustle and showboating all the way. Running a hundred miles an hour on a walk. Just a complete jagoff. If a black player had acted the way Rose did he would have been called a "hot dog". Instead this asswipe was an American hero who dipshits lauded for playing "the right way".

Fuck Pete Rose.

Did he cheat the game as a player? I know that he finished his last 2 years as a part time player and manager. Is there evidence that he bet on baseball then?

For me, it has always boiled down to what Charlie Hustle did as a player. As a player, he was one of the greatest of all time and should have a plaque in the museum based on that. Whatever he did as a manager doesn't change his contributions to the game as a player.

Why?

He broke the number one rule of the game. It's right on a sign in every clubhouse. And I have no doubt he lost games on purpose which is a whole lot different than juicing up or stealing signs in an attempt to win games.

And I know people will argue that he claims he never stiffed his team. But he's lied the entire way through. First he never bet baseball. LIE. Then the story was that he never bet games his teams were in. LIE. Then it became, well, he only bet his team to win. I have to wonder if that was a LIE too. Because it's a lot harder to guarantee a win than it is to create a loss. And he owed a bunch of money to his bookmakers. Do we really think he draws the moral line at not losing a game on purpose?

And I know there's the argument that he likes to use himself that all he ever wanted to do was win. And who could question that one thing about Charlie Hustle? But I could completely see him justifying one purposeful loss by thinking "we're gonna finish second six games behind, what difference does it make if we're seven games behind?" Tell his bookmaker and trade the loss for wiping out what he owes.

And even if you're 100% convinced he never went in the tank, he has acknowledged betting on his team. What did that tell bookies/gamblers about the days he didn't bet on them? And did he handle his team differently on days he bet?

Beyond all that, the guy was a dick. False hustle and showboating all the way. Running a hundred miles an hour on a walk. Just a complete jagoff. If a black player had acted the way Rose did he would have been called a "hot dog". Instead this asswipe was an American hero who dipshits lauded for playing "the right way".

Fuck Pete Rose.

Because I'm a scumbag gambler myself.

Why are you so confident he lost games on purpose?

Dan Patrick has hinted MANY times that he knows Rose didn't always bet on the Reds to win.

Please elaborate.

I know how insane I am when it comes to something that I am physically competing in. Hell it took effort to turn that off to let my older kids beat me in games when they were younger. I'm confident Pete Rose takes that to another level. He may not have given a shit about things that he wasn't actively competing in but there is no doubt that a crazy guy like that would never purposely lose a game that he was physically involved in.

If you owed a guy six figures that you didn't have and all you needed to do was pitch Ron Robinson instead of Mario Soto in a meaningless September game to get rid of that debt you might.

I might know my horse is razor sharp and in great form to win today. I still can't guarantee that win. A million things can happen in a horse race. But I can make sure the horse doesn't hit the board very easily.

If you owed a guy six figures that you didn't have and all you needed to do was pitch Ron Robinson instead of Mario Soto in a meaningless September game to get rid of that debt you might.

I might know my horse is razor sharp and in great form to win today. I still can't guarantee that win. A million things can happen in a horse race. But I can make sure the horse doesn't hit the board very easily.

If you owed a guy six figures that you didn't have and all you needed to do was pitch Ron Robinson instead of Mario Soto in a meaningless September game to get rid of that debt you might.

I might know my horse is razor sharp and in great form to win today. I still can't guarantee that win. A million things can happen in a horse race. But I can make sure the horse doesn't hit the board very easily.

Quality rant right there by JORR.

He's completely right. Rose is an absolute turd. The Dowd report is full of damning evidence.

Didn't Rose basically admit to nailing an underage girl?

Please elaborate.

I know how insane I am when it comes to something that I am physically competing in. Hell it took effort to turn that off to let my older kids beat me in games when they were younger. I'm confident Pete Rose takes that to another level. He may not have given a shit about things that he wasn't actively competing in but there is no doubt that a crazy guy like that would never purposely lose a game that he was physically involved in.

If you owed a guy six figures that you didn't have and all you needed to do was pitch Ron Robinson instead of Mario Soto in a meaningless September game to get rid of that debt you might.

I might know my horse is razor sharp and in great form to win today. I still can't guarantee that win. A million things can happen in a horse race. But I can make sure the horse doesn't hit the board very easily.

Dan Patrick has hinted MANY times that he knows Rose didn't always bet on the Reds to win.

If you owed a guy six figures that you didn't have and all you needed to do was pitch Ron Robinson instead of Mario Soto in a meaningless September game to get rid of that debt you might.

I might know my horse is razor sharp and in great form to win today. I still can't guarantee that win. A million things can happen in a horse race. But I can make sure the horse doesn't hit the board very easily.