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When the year started, I saw a guy who was not only struggling to read defenses, but he was afraid to roll out of the pocket or run if it wasn't the last drive of a game. He was clearly thinking too much. A clear sign of too many people in his ear and a guy who may not be very bright.

There were clues from Cohen and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that they weren't happy with Nagy's play calling and his offense. As time went on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky took more ownership of the offense and his career and the Bears and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky looked better.

Despite being handcuffed by his coach and having absolutely the worst offensive talent around him of any young quarterback, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played well in the 2nd half. He was good more times than not and his flashes of greatness were somewhat frequent. He showed he can even read defenses now.

The Bears have to get better talent around him or anyone else they bring in. Preferably at least 1 elite talent. Mahomes has an elite offensive line and elite skill players. All of them are far better than the Bears best offensive player. Someone is almost always open. That makes life as a quarterback easier. I think Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL, but if he switched places with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky MANY would view both players differently. Watson has arguably the 2nd best WR in football and a #2 who is comparable to Allen Robinson.

I don't think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will ever be great despite the flashes. I think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will be a good to really good quarterback for a long time that flashes greatness from time to time. He's not only a guy I think you can win with, but he's a guy I think you can lean on with the game on the line. That late game ability isn't something that you can coach.

Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is my quarterback.


Matt Nagy disagrees.


He said that he's improved but still needs to get better. I agree.

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Everything Nagy says has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's tough to evaluate talent when you continually put them in position to fail.

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Everything Nagy says has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's tough to evaluate talent when you continually put them in position to fail.


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look at his passer rating for +20 yard throws down the middle of the field... same issue in 2018 too in matt nagy year 1

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Last year it was he couldn't throw to the left. Looks like he's above average on most deep passes. How many passes were thrown to the deep middle?

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How many passes were thrown to the deep middle?

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In fairness, you can't get below league average on deep passes over the middle if you never throw deep passes over the middle.

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Somewhat interesting poll conducted by NBC Sports:

You are GM of an NFL franchise. You have no access to Patrick Mahomes, any actually good quarterback, or any fountain of rookie hope. These are your only 3 available building-block QB options and you must pick from them & them only: Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Taysom Hill or Jameis Winston?

The results are pretty astonishing, even for those of us who've deboarded the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky train. More than 73% of the 23,000 votes favored Winston. Then came Hill, with over 17% of the votes. Bringing up the rear was (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, who was hovering around 10%.


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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.

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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.


What's the national view of Tim Anderson by FANS?

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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.


What's the national view of Tim Anderson by FANS?


Love and admiration.


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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.

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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.


I absolutely understand that. You know what's also free? A piece of shit. Shit is free - it literally costs 0$. It also has a one percent chance of becoming valuable but it isn't likely. So even though shit is free what do you do with it? Get rid of it to get something that's actually useful.

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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.


I absolutely understand that. You know what's also free? A piece of shit. Shit is free - it literally costs 0$. It also has a one percent chance of becoming valuable but it isn't likely. So even though shit is free what do you do with it? Get rid of it to get something that's actually useful.


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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.


I absolutely understand that. You know what's also free? A piece of shit. Shit is free - it literally costs 0$. It also has a one percent chance of becoming valuable but it isn't likely. So even though shit is free what do you do with it? Get rid of it to get something that's actually useful.

You are just wrong though on that. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was good in year 2. Even you can't deny that. That is why you take a chance on year 4 compared to cutting him and signing a tier 4 qb with his roster spot.

You will be replacing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky with a David Fales-type. Is that an upgrade?

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Based on last year the answer was clearly Taysom Hill. The Saints may have gone to the SB if they left him in. Instead over 70% of fans picked the guy who threw more interceptions last year than the other 2 have thrown combined in their careers.

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so they have to make the call on the 5th year option by early may it looks like.

it will be very interesting to see if they use it, or if they agree to a 2-3 year extension for brisett type $20M per (hopefully with flexibility to get out of the deal if he stinks again in 2020)


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.


I absolutely understand that. You know what's also free? A piece of shit. Shit is free - it literally costs 0$. It also has a one percent chance of becoming valuable but it isn't likely. So even though shit is free what do you do with it? Get rid of it to get something that's actually useful.

You are just wrong though on that. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was good in year 2. Even you can't deny that. That is why you take a chance on year 4 compared to cutting him and signing a tier 4 qb with his roster spot.

You will be replacing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky with a David Fales-type. Is that an upgrade?


No, he was good against BAD teams, and our defense made him look good the rest of the time.


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You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster.
Yeah, they are sticking with him because of money reasons. It's certainly not because he is some great quarterback.

I agree he can and should be on the roster this year....as the backup QB.

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Based on last year the answer was clearly Taysom Hill. The Saints may have gone to the SB if they left him in. Instead over 70% of fans picked the guy who threw more interceptions last year than the other 2 have thrown combined in their careers.


Your support of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky boils down to this and nothing else:

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Based on last year the answer was clearly Taysom Hill. The Saints may have gone to the SB if they left him in. Instead over 70% of fans picked the guy who threw more interceptions last year than the other 2 have thrown combined in their careers.


Your support of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky boils down to this and nothing else:

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You promoted an article praising 70% of fans for picking Jameis Wonder. Clearly Taysom was better than both last year.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.


I absolutely understand that. You know what's also free? A piece of shit. Shit is free - it literally costs 0$. It also has a one percent chance of becoming valuable but it isn't likely. So even though shit is free what do you do with it? Get rid of it to get something that's actually useful.

You are just wrong though on that. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was good in year 2. Even you can't deny that. That is why you take a chance on year 4 compared to cutting him and signing a tier 4 qb with his roster spot.

You will be replacing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky with a David Fales-type. Is that an upgrade?


We've been through this before and you don't have a good answer for the following: what about the Super Bowl-caliber defense sitting right in front of your eyes? They are ready to win a ring provided they get some help from the offense. Your argument says we should keep a guy who won't provide the defense the support they need simply because it makes fiscal sense. Your thoughts are great for the Bears' cap situation but terrible for the Bears' chances for on the field success. We're in win-now mode. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn't cut it unless you are fine with wasting this defense. Seems like you've made that call.

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Based on last year the answer was clearly Taysom Hill. The Saints may have gone to the SB if they left him in. Instead over 70% of fans picked the guy who threw more interceptions last year than the other 2 have thrown combined in their careers.


Your support of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky boils down to this and nothing else:

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You promoted an article praising 70% of fans for picking Jameis Wonder. Clearly Taysom was better than both last year.


The poll simply indicates what football fans outside of Chicago think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. It happens to match what former football player analysts also think. It also matches what math and data indicate. The ones who think otherwise are emotionally invested in the story of Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, the hero best known for stringing together a couple of good drives against the Dallas Cowboys in 2019.

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Based on last year the answer was clearly Taysom Hill. The Saints may have gone to the SB if they left him in. Instead over 70% of fans picked the guy who threw more interceptions last year than the other 2 have thrown combined in their careers.


Your support of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky boils down to this and nothing else:

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You promoted an article praising 70% of fans for picking Jameis Wonder. Clearly Taysom was better than both last year.


The poll simply indicates what football fans outside of Chicago think of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. It happens to match what former football player analysts also think. It also matches what math and data indicate. The ones who think otherwise are emotionally invested in the story of Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, the hero best known for stringing together a couple of good drives against the Dallas Cowboys in 2019.


The poll indicates that you and those people are insane. I wouldn't hold up a poll that has 70%+ of fans saying Jameis Charles is better than Taysom Hill.

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Full link: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... -look-away

This is the national view of him. It's only MANY Chicagoans and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky family members who think there's a side to him we haven't seen yet.
You don't seem to understand the reasons people are sticking with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He is free this year. He literally costs $0 to be on the roster. If they cut him right now, they pay him the same that they do if he is on the team all year. So even if there is a 1% chance that he becomes as good as he was as a second year player you must keep him.

If he struggles this year then pretty much everyone will say it's time to get rid of him. It's just not a logical thing to do this year.


I absolutely understand that. You know what's also free? A piece of shit. Shit is free - it literally costs 0$. It also has a one percent chance of becoming valuable but it isn't likely. So even though shit is free what do you do with it? Get rid of it to get something that's actually useful.

You are just wrong though on that. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was good in year 2. Even you can't deny that. That is why you take a chance on year 4 compared to cutting him and signing a tier 4 qb with his roster spot.

You will be replacing (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky with a David Fales-type. Is that an upgrade?


We've been through this before and you don't have a good answer for the following: what about the Super Bowl-caliber defense sitting right in front of your eyes? They are ready to win a ring provided they get some help from the offense. Your argument says we should keep a guy who won't provide the defense the support they need simply because it makes fiscal sense. Your thoughts are great for the Bears' cap situation but terrible for the Bears' chances for on the field success. We're in win-now mode. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn't cut it unless you are fine with wasting this defense. Seems like you've made that call.

I have answered it. Put him as the third string QB and bring in a replacement.

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We're in serious trouble.

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Patrick Mahomes, 24, is already an NFL MVP and a Super Bowl MVP after leading the Kansas City Chiefs to their first title in 50 years in only his second season as a starter.

And he has accomplished all of that without a full grasp of the game's finer points, Mahomes revealed during a teaser for an upcoming episode of HBO's "The Shop."

"I didn't understand how to read defenses until, like, halfway through last year," he said. "I understood coverages, but being able to pick up little tendencies defenses do, stuff that Brady and them have done — I was just playing."

"This year, I could actually recognize more and more stuff," he said. "And I think the more experience and the more I learn, then I'll be able to go out there and call plays because I've seen it. I still think there's a long way for me to go."

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Patrick Mahomes, 24, is already an NFL MVP and a Super Bowl MVP after leading the Kansas City Chiefs to their first title in 50 years in only his second season as a starter.

And he has accomplished all of that without a full grasp of the game's finer points, Mahomes revealed during a teaser for an upcoming episode of HBO's "The Shop."

"I didn't understand how to read defenses until, like, halfway through last year," he said. "I understood coverages, but being able to pick up little tendencies defenses do, stuff that Brady and them have done — I was just playing."

"This year, I could actually recognize more and more stuff," he said. "And I think the more experience and the more I learn, then I'll be able to go out there and call plays because I've seen it. I still think there's a long way for me to go."


I saw this last week and shed a tear.

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Not a big deal quote imo. The phrase "I didn't understand how to read defenses until, like, halfway through last year" is misleading in terms of how we as fans think of the term reading defenses. He already said he knew how to read coverages, all he is saying is he's getting smarter and more intuitive with more experience, which is a pretty obvious statement.

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It's just another thing that further illustrates how Mitch is not the guy. If the league MVP can't fully understand/read defenses, yet still do what he did in his MVP season, its alarmingly clear that the ceiling for Mitch appears to be mediocre at best.

All Mitch had to be was mediocre last year. If Mitch were simply the 14th or 15th or even the 18th best QB in the league last season-- despite all of the other issues and injuries on the team-- the Bears probably make the playoffs. And that didn't happen.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
It's just another thing that further illustrates how Mitch is not the guy. If the league MVP can't fully understand/read defenses, yet still do what he did in his MVP season, its alarmingly clear that the ceiling for Mitch appears to be mediocre at best.

All Mitch had to be was mediocre last year. If Mitch were simply the 14th or 15th or even the 18th best QB in the league last season-- despite all of the other issues and injuries on the team-- the Bears probably make the playoffs. And that didn't happen.


I doubt that the Chiefs win the Super Bowl with our offensive line, TE, and running backs. Mahomes doesn't get the MVP award either.

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